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hello and welcome to the show i'm martin

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willis your host i'm real excited about

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tonight's show

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it's uh with melanie kirchdorfer and uh

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i

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know but

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uh the new intro uh was made by my son

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who i often call number one son evan uh

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did a great job

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and uh he did that plus he makes all the

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graphics for the show and a little shout

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out to him

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and i never uh thank of the person that

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made the music for the show enough

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carrie lloyd whitehouse

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in ireland uh he makes uh music for a

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lot of movies

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uh some that you probably have actually

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watched and seen

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he does a great job and i really

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appreciate the music

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and that's all the music that we do play

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on the shows all made by him

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um if you go to our website

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podcastufo.com you will see the latest

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blog by

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charles lear and it's a wyoming elk

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hunter takes a ride in the ufo

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uh it's a real crazy story and it was

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actually taken

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serious i think because it was rather

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outlandish

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and so many things happened during that

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that whole encounter

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um like i said it's a crazy story you

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should check it out

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but also the fact that this uh two-wheel

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drive truck

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was stuck in mud and they didn't see any

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tracks leading to it

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and coming out of it and in even the

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four-wheel drives couldn't even get in

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where the two-wheel truck was so

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uh it's really really a fascinating

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story that's always made into a

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audio blog usually comes out about

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friday and uh that's here

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on youtube as well and it goes out to

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any place

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you were listening to this audio uh

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through a

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podcast or media player if you support

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the show

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i want to thank you so much and uh if

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you'd like to support the show

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um all you have to do is go over to our

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website the links are there and

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also check out our facebook page it's

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pretty active twitter and all that

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all that jazz so next week we have larry

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hancock he wrote a

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book on uh unidentified it's called

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national intelligence problem for ufos

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ben hansen's going to be coming on one

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of these shows coming up for one hour

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and i don't know what segment it is it

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uh a last minute thing so he should be

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coming up

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as well so um about tonight's show i

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i i have been talking to melanie quite a

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bit she's a

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wonderful lady and uh it's

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it's really interesting this uh to find

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out today that

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i've actually watched the berkshires ufo

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uh on um the discovery i mean i'm sorry

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netflix unsolved mysteries

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more times than she has because i've

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watched it every time

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um someone is coming on the show from

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i watched it two times i rarely ever

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watch anything more than once

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and i watched it two times i thought it

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was that good plus she's also

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um on with a few other of the people tom

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and um on the it's called the yes theory

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and check it out on youtube it's like i

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a million and a half views or maybe even

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yes there he did a great great job with

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with melanie and tom reed a while ago so

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check that out

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but for right now i'm going to bring in

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and uh welcome to the show melanie

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hi martin thank you for having me thank

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you for being willing

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and i know i've i've heard you say that

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uh sometimes you feel this is

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almost like a little bit of therapy

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talking about the whole situation

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so do you have a couch make it

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relax and let's uh i'm sitting on a

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uh yeah i had no intention of ever doing

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this i i really did not want to do it

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tom reed invited me to partake in

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doing podcasts i wasn't going to do it

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both he and my husband said just wanted

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to try it a couple of times and see how

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and then it became therapeutic for me to

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talk about it so that's why i do it now

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now i would say that a huge portion of

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uh known about this story now i have to

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tell you when i

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over the years i had heard about this

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i haven't been around that long around

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the ufo world that long

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i've been doing this show for almost 10

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in the beginning when i was paying

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attention to it in different cases and

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i only knew it was the reed family ufo

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incident that's all i knew i had no idea

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until the berkshires ufo came out

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on netflix that anyone else was involved

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in that and i was kind of shocked

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to find that out and there's some great

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great witnesses that uh you know

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collaborate the whole thing that was

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um and including you of course and i

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definitely one of the most profound ones

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of them all

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and uh for the person that has not heard

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anything about it and still for the

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person that would like to hear you say

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it again

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can you recount what happened on

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the september event i'll tell you about

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the september event

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but um it wasn't just us it happened to

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a lot of different people

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and i we're really the only ones that

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have come forward to talk about it and

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i was lied to about it for years and

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years i was told not to talk about it

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that's why it feels so good to finally

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be able to talk about it

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but um i got my mom

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finally admitted to me that it really

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happened but i was told that it never

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for many many years and um

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then you know i got this phone call that

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i needed to go to the historical society

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and tell them and i'm like what are you

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talking about you told me that never

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happened it was a shooting star

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i mean it was like a whole series of

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and we'll get into that later but uh it

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was like a whole childhood thing

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and then uh my sister and i we were

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we worked all that weekend janie and i

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had to work as as children it was just

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back then i mean you grew up in that

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whole era as children you always worked

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i mean we paid board my sister and i and

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so we cleaned the hawaii theater

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at some point i'm sorry you paid it

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paid board as children it's something

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you just had to do

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and uh you know we bought our clothing

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it's so we worked all weekend cleaning

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and we did not want to get in the car

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and go out and have ice cream with our

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kids smoked cigarettes we had smoking

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lounges at school you smoked outside at

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i mean now it you're weird if you do

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smoke cigarettes people look down on you

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but back then 12 14 years old you smoked

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cigarettes it was not

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uncommon everybody smoked back then so

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we just wanted to go to penny rock

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a friend of ours would steal cigarettes

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i mean yeah they were only 35 cents back

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then we could have bought our own but

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your parents would find out about it

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because everybody knew everybody in town

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when you were 14 you could because

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you had the smoking lounge but we just

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wanted to go smoke cigarettes but our

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parents were insistent that we get in

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that car and go

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and have ice cream so we did

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and we brought our ice cream up to lake

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mansfield while we were having our ice

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all of a sudden this huge

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i knew because i had had these

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experiences before

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and nobody ever believed me my mom never

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believed me or my dad ever believed me

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my sister always knew because she had

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witnessed it before

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that they were just coming from me and

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my dad looked up and he said

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excuse my language but he said holy [\h__\h]

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screaming

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no and because my father he said he was

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going to chase it

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and my mother's going no joey no joey

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and one thing that people don't

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is we lived very close to that lake

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we were only like a street and a half

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away from the lake

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we used to walk there all the time my

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sister and i

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it was a place that we would hang out at

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now it's very difficult to even get me

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to go there i'm frightened of it

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and um so

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what i remember next from there

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is being levitated over berkshire

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heights now just just right then

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did you feel like you were being pulled

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out of the car or

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how did that how did that what do you

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what i remember is is being stuck this

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is my memory of

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it i can remember being stuck and when

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levitated i just remember this the

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area and being stuck

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over berkshire heights and you can't see

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anything uh

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it's like you can see with your eyes

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but you can't move your head so i

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remember the

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area but i can't i remember not being

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able to move my head

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my body or anything else and my family

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was not with me

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it was bizarre totally bizarre

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and they to this day my sister i'm not

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close with my mom and dad anymore

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because of all the lies that went on

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but my sister always says to me

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you know mom and dad they don't remember

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how

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we got home that night they still asked

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me janie do you remember how we got home

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they don't remember how they got home

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and it's ironically

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there's another young man i never told

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the story to no one

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ever heard the whole story about the

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whole berkshire heights thing because it

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was cut out of the whole netflix thing

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but he told me that he had an incident

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up at berkshire heights as well which is

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bizarre

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so i wasn't the only one that that

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happened to up at berkshire heights

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it had to have been a hot spot that

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whole area

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and from there i remember waking up or

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being on a table

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in the same situation where you can't

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move

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but at that time i didn't see any

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little gray men that i would encounter

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as a child

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and i don't call them aliens because i

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don't know if they were aliens

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they were little gray men that's what i

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remember

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not at that incident but as a child

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i remember seeing these little gray men

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my sister saw something too she always

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called it a troll children see things

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but they see things that

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to them are look different she still

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says i think it was a troll

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and i said no it was definitely a gray

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man they were grey men

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but i remember lying on a table

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in a room and it was like a metallic

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room but it was almost as if there were

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glass

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bricks but they weren't i don't

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there were no lines in them it was a

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metallic glass room

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and there was red it was like a red glow

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around it

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i remember that and

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that's all i can remember being in that

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room

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from there i remember being in another

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room

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there were a lot of children in that

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room and young people

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in that room i did not know any of these

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people

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there have been reports that they were

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classmates of mine they were not

342
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classmates of mine i did not know any of

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these people

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tom warner said that he saw me

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i didn't know tom then uh

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so i don't remember seeing him

347
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and then the children just disappeared

348
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one by one

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by one and then when you excuse me when

350
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you mean they disappeared like they

351
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just vanished and i remember sitting

352
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there

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holding on to my legs i was petrified

354
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i was so scared that i do remember

355
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i just re i i so i remember that so well

356
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and i remember what i was wearing i can

357
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still remember what i was wearing i had

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like a lime green sweatshirt on

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with short sleeves and just

360
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cut off shorts and i was barefoot i

361
00:14:35,750 --> 00:14:32,240
remember that

362
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wow and then i was i remember we went

363
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there about

364
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it must have been seven it was between 7

365
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30 or

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8 o'clock it was like the sun was

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starting to go down at that time of the

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night

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i would say but i was a kid so you don't

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really know

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what time it was just that it was dusk

372
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and um and what was that room in

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particular like do you remember

374
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i just remember that there were a lot of

375
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people in that room

376
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and i remember that there was like it

377
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was

378
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quiet but at the same time

379
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i always remember like an mri

380
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sound you know when you're in an mri

381
00:15:22,230 --> 00:15:20,079
like that and that still happens to me

382
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to this day

383
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it happens in my ears all the time i get

384
00:15:29,749 --> 00:15:26,720
this clicking click click click

385
00:15:31,430 --> 00:15:29,759
sound and i've even gone and had mris to

386
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find out why it's doing that

387
00:15:35,030 --> 00:15:33,440
and they can't figure it out they can't

388
00:15:39,110 --> 00:15:35,040
find anything

389
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but um then i woke up on the lake

390
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before we get into that part i just want

391
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to ask you

392
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if you recall anything you you mentioned

393
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the sound

394
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but um this probably sounds weird were

395
00:15:52,310 --> 00:15:50,480
there any

396
00:15:54,230 --> 00:15:52,320
was there it was it hard to breathe did

397
00:15:56,310 --> 00:15:54,240
you breathe like you normally do

398
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was there any smells that you remember

399
00:16:00,629 --> 00:15:57,920
or anything else like that

400
00:16:01,189 --> 00:16:00,639
in the car i remember because i had i

401
00:16:04,550 --> 00:16:01,199
don't

402
00:16:06,470 --> 00:16:04,560
i had to go through a series of hypnosis

403
00:16:10,150 --> 00:16:06,480
because when my mom

404
00:16:12,150 --> 00:16:10,160
told me that this had happened

405
00:16:13,509 --> 00:16:12,160
and i said but you told me this never

406
00:16:15,430 --> 00:16:13,519
happened my whole life you've been

407
00:16:18,230 --> 00:16:15,440
telling me that this was all in my head

408
00:16:23,350 --> 00:16:18,240
that i was crazy not to talk about it

409
00:16:26,949 --> 00:16:23,360
i had to go for ptsd hypnosis therapy

410
00:16:29,269 --> 00:16:26,959
and in order to do this you have to go

411
00:16:30,550 --> 00:16:29,279
for three to four weeks before they'll

412
00:16:33,829 --> 00:16:30,560
even hypnotize you

413
00:16:36,310 --> 00:16:33,839
that you have to be prepared to go

414
00:16:38,389 --> 00:16:36,320
to be hypnotized it you don't go one

415
00:16:40,790 --> 00:16:38,399
time and they hypnotize you

416
00:16:42,870 --> 00:16:40,800
they have to make sure that you're ready

417
00:16:45,910 --> 00:16:42,880
to be hypnotized because

418
00:16:47,110 --> 00:16:45,920
it's a traumatic event and the person

419
00:16:49,590 --> 00:16:47,120
that i went to

420
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he works with soldiers and police

421
00:16:53,350 --> 00:16:51,440
officers

422
00:16:55,990 --> 00:16:53,360
and you they have to know that you're

423
00:16:59,030 --> 00:16:56,000
prepared for what you're going to see

424
00:17:02,069 --> 00:16:59,040
and i knew that this had happened to me

425
00:17:05,510 --> 00:17:02,079
before the 69 event

426
00:17:07,750 --> 00:17:05,520
but i had to be prepared that i was

427
00:17:11,270 --> 00:17:07,760
ready for this

428
00:17:14,789 --> 00:17:11,280
and i remembered smelling

429
00:17:15,750 --> 00:17:14,799
a wool smell and i couldn't remember

430
00:17:19,110 --> 00:17:15,760
what this burning

431
00:17:20,549 --> 00:17:19,120
like this wool smell was and then i kept

432
00:17:23,189 --> 00:17:20,559
asking my mom well

433
00:17:25,429 --> 00:17:23,199
why did i keep smelling this wool smell

434
00:17:28,549 --> 00:17:25,439
and she said it was because my dad

435
00:17:30,470 --> 00:17:28,559
had a wool army blanket in the back of

436
00:17:33,270 --> 00:17:30,480
the car

437
00:17:34,470 --> 00:17:33,280
so when my sister and i were lying on

438
00:17:38,230 --> 00:17:34,480
the backseat of the car

439
00:17:40,470 --> 00:17:38,240
screaming that's what the wool

440
00:17:42,789 --> 00:17:40,480
smell was from the army blanket in the

441
00:17:44,470 --> 00:17:42,799
back of the car

442
00:17:46,870 --> 00:17:44,480
that's the only thing she could figure

443
00:17:49,110 --> 00:17:46,880
out that was the smell

444
00:17:51,190 --> 00:17:49,120
wow here's another uh question related

445
00:17:54,470 --> 00:17:51,200
to when you're in there

446
00:17:56,390 --> 00:17:54,480
if you had bare feet did you recall

447
00:18:00,150 --> 00:17:56,400
anything about the floor when you're

448
00:18:03,830 --> 00:18:00,160
on it i don't i was so

449
00:18:04,710 --> 00:18:03,840
tr i was so scared sure i i know i'm

450
00:18:06,549 --> 00:18:04,720
just

451
00:18:08,710 --> 00:18:06,559
i bet you were i mean i can't even

452
00:18:11,669 --> 00:18:08,720
imagine um

453
00:18:14,310 --> 00:18:11,679
but um do pieces of things kind of fall

454
00:18:16,710 --> 00:18:14,320
together though over the years like

455
00:18:17,750 --> 00:18:16,720
you know your recollect recollection of

456
00:18:19,190 --> 00:18:17,760
certain things you

457
00:18:21,190 --> 00:18:19,200
all of a sudden pops into your head

458
00:18:25,270 --> 00:18:21,200
anything like that happened to you on

459
00:18:28,310 --> 00:18:25,280
all through the years uh when i woke up

460
00:18:32,310 --> 00:18:28,320
i had horrible horrible stomach pains

461
00:18:34,710 --> 00:18:32,320
really horrible stomach pains and i

462
00:18:36,950 --> 00:18:34,720
i just remember every now and then i'll

463
00:18:40,830 --> 00:18:36,960
have really bad nightmares

464
00:18:47,590 --> 00:18:44,549
wow and i can remember

465
00:18:50,870 --> 00:18:47,600
that to me was basically the

466
00:18:51,350 --> 00:18:50,880
end of it all because my childhood was

467
00:18:55,350 --> 00:18:51,360
worse

468
00:18:57,510 --> 00:18:55,360
experiences than that

469
00:18:59,110 --> 00:18:57,520
and my sister's really the one that got

470
00:19:01,029 --> 00:18:59,120
me through it all

471
00:19:03,830 --> 00:19:01,039
she was my saving grace i don't know

472
00:19:06,630 --> 00:19:03,840
what i would have done without my sister

473
00:19:09,590 --> 00:19:06,640
because uh she was really my saving

474
00:19:12,630 --> 00:19:09,600
grace because nobody believed me but her

475
00:19:14,230 --> 00:19:12,640
wow um so i'd like if possible like we

476
00:19:15,350 --> 00:19:14,240
can walk through this part and then we

477
00:19:17,750 --> 00:19:15,360
can get into

478
00:19:18,710 --> 00:19:17,760
um everything that's happened afterwards

479
00:19:21,430 --> 00:19:18,720
and all that but

480
00:19:23,029 --> 00:19:21,440
um so you you find yourself all of a

481
00:19:25,750 --> 00:19:23,039
sudden you're awake

482
00:19:27,430 --> 00:19:25,760
at the lake and anywhere near where you

483
00:19:29,190 --> 00:19:27,440
were parked

484
00:19:30,950 --> 00:19:29,200
it was right there it was right on the

485
00:19:33,990 --> 00:19:30,960
beach that i woke up

486
00:19:35,990 --> 00:19:34,000
i woke up on the beach and i had really

487
00:19:38,070 --> 00:19:36,000
bad stomach pains

488
00:19:40,630 --> 00:19:38,080
and i had to walk home on the dirt road

489
00:19:44,150 --> 00:19:40,640
but like i said it really was not that

490
00:19:46,310 --> 00:19:44,160
far because it it's just a street and a

491
00:19:47,510 --> 00:19:46,320
half away i had to walk down the hill to

492
00:19:50,950 --> 00:19:47,520
get home

493
00:19:53,430 --> 00:19:50,960
on the dirt road and ironically my mom

494
00:19:54,470 --> 00:19:53,440
always locks the doors she's really

495
00:19:56,230 --> 00:19:54,480
paranoid and

496
00:19:57,990 --> 00:19:56,240
back then you really didn't need to lock

497
00:19:59,190 --> 00:19:58,000
the doors that was so safe in great

498
00:20:01,830 --> 00:19:59,200
barrington

499
00:20:03,190 --> 00:20:01,840
the door was unlocked which was bizarre

500
00:20:05,830 --> 00:20:03,200
for her

501
00:20:07,909 --> 00:20:05,840
and i climbed into bed with my sister

502
00:20:10,230 --> 00:20:07,919
when i got home and she hugged me and we

503
00:20:11,990 --> 00:20:10,240
were really scared we were frightened

504
00:20:14,470 --> 00:20:12,000
and then we were told to never talk

505
00:20:16,870 --> 00:20:14,480
about it just never talk about it again

506
00:20:17,750 --> 00:20:16,880
and we never talked about it again

507
00:20:19,990 --> 00:20:17,760
except for

508
00:20:21,110 --> 00:20:20,000
it was a shooting star and people in

509
00:20:24,149 --> 00:20:21,120
town would

510
00:20:24,630 --> 00:20:24,159
say oh yeah it was swamp gas if it came

511
00:20:27,350 --> 00:20:24,640
up

512
00:20:28,390 --> 00:20:27,360
oh it was just swamp gas and just don't

513
00:20:33,029 --> 00:20:28,400
talk about it

514
00:20:35,830 --> 00:20:33,039
you never had a family discussion

515
00:20:37,669 --> 00:20:35,840
about what happened in the car and how

516
00:20:38,549 --> 00:20:37,679
they got home it just was not talked

517
00:20:44,789 --> 00:20:38,559
about

518
00:20:46,390 --> 00:20:44,799
a time in connecticut and i don't

519
00:20:47,909 --> 00:20:46,400
remember that time

520
00:20:49,669 --> 00:20:47,919
she said don't you remember the time in

521
00:20:52,789 --> 00:20:49,679
connecticut that it happened and i'm

522
00:20:56,230 --> 00:20:52,799
i don't remember that time we were told

523
00:20:59,990 --> 00:20:56,240
not to remember any of these times

524
00:21:03,029 --> 00:21:00,000
well that's that just sounds so hurtful

525
00:21:06,070 --> 00:21:03,039
to have gone through such yeah

526
00:21:08,710 --> 00:21:06,080
um and so um

527
00:21:10,310 --> 00:21:08,720
and we'll we'll get to all that but um

528
00:21:13,029 --> 00:21:10,320
the curious thing

529
00:21:14,390 --> 00:21:13,039
is um to me is because it's the first

530
00:21:17,510 --> 00:21:14,400
time i'm hearing this

531
00:21:18,149 --> 00:21:17,520
is you had other experiences prior to

532
00:21:20,390 --> 00:21:18,159
that

533
00:21:22,870 --> 00:21:20,400
in any type of way do you think this is

534
00:21:25,510 --> 00:21:22,880
related to that

535
00:21:25,909 --> 00:21:25,520
oh definitely i think that there was a

536
00:21:28,950 --> 00:21:25,919
that

537
00:21:31,909 --> 00:21:28,960
children too

538
00:21:34,230 --> 00:21:31,919
in the area because i had a friend call

539
00:21:34,870 --> 00:21:34,240
me that told me that it was happening to

540
00:21:41,270 --> 00:21:34,880
her

541
00:21:42,470 --> 00:21:41,280
when we were living in a different house

542
00:21:44,789 --> 00:21:42,480
it was happening to

543
00:21:45,990 --> 00:21:44,799
her sister there were two girls it was

544
00:21:47,510 --> 00:21:46,000
happening to her

545
00:21:51,350 --> 00:21:47,520
and her house but her parents were

546
00:21:54,470 --> 00:21:51,360
listening to her and they moved

547
00:21:57,750 --> 00:21:54,480
because the girl was so frightened

548
00:21:58,149 --> 00:21:57,760
wow so it's some type of weird hot spot

549
00:22:01,830 --> 00:21:58,159
or

550
00:22:05,750 --> 00:22:01,840
something something's going on there and

551
00:22:07,669 --> 00:22:05,760
um and there was uh

552
00:22:08,950 --> 00:22:07,679
there was a i'm trying to remember what

553
00:22:11,510 --> 00:22:08,960
it was the uh

554
00:22:11,990 --> 00:22:11,520
i saw in the yes theory there was a

555
00:22:13,830 --> 00:22:12,000
jennifer

556
00:22:15,830 --> 00:22:13,840
that was on there and so there's

557
00:22:19,110 --> 00:22:15,840
something going on

558
00:22:20,230 --> 00:22:19,120
um through a government contractor or

559
00:22:23,190 --> 00:22:20,240
something there

560
00:22:24,310 --> 00:22:23,200
that had to do well go ahead you know

561
00:22:27,430 --> 00:22:24,320
what i'm doing well we have

562
00:22:29,669 --> 00:22:27,440
i i don't have the research

563
00:22:30,870 --> 00:22:29,679
like jennifer has she has all the

564
00:22:33,270 --> 00:22:30,880
knowledge of it but

565
00:22:34,710 --> 00:22:33,280
we have uh general electric that was

566
00:22:37,510 --> 00:22:34,720
going on

567
00:22:38,230 --> 00:22:37,520
and then there was the spread company

568
00:22:41,590 --> 00:22:38,240
they had

569
00:22:44,710 --> 00:22:41,600
uh the moon that they did the moon disc

570
00:22:45,990 --> 00:22:44,720
which they left up on the moon inviting

571
00:22:49,149 --> 00:22:46,000
them to come down

572
00:22:53,029 --> 00:22:49,159
and it was on i believe it was july 16

573
00:22:56,310 --> 00:22:53,039
1969 inviting them to come down

574
00:22:57,990 --> 00:22:56,320
there was a lot going on uh through the

575
00:23:00,470 --> 00:22:58,000
government

576
00:23:01,750 --> 00:23:00,480
that was happening in the berkshires

577
00:23:03,990 --> 00:23:01,760
yeah yeah

578
00:23:05,110 --> 00:23:04,000
well it's really it's really bizarre and

579
00:23:07,590 --> 00:23:05,120
and

580
00:23:08,789 --> 00:23:07,600
all those children that you saw when you

581
00:23:12,950 --> 00:23:08,799
were on

582
00:23:15,669 --> 00:23:12,960
whatever it was had did you recognize

583
00:23:16,470 --> 00:23:15,679
any of them no i did not know any of

584
00:23:18,230 --> 00:23:16,480
those children

585
00:23:19,750 --> 00:23:18,240
and they were all different ages it

586
00:23:22,070 --> 00:23:19,760
wasn't just

587
00:23:23,029 --> 00:23:22,080
my age either they were all different

588
00:23:25,430 --> 00:23:23,039
ages

589
00:23:26,230 --> 00:23:25,440
and no adults at all in that group that

590
00:23:29,669 --> 00:23:26,240
you saw

591
00:23:32,789 --> 00:23:29,679
no they were all uh i would say

592
00:23:35,669 --> 00:23:32,799
um maybe eight maybe 18

593
00:23:36,789 --> 00:23:35,679
down i would say and was anyone talking

594
00:23:39,029 --> 00:23:36,799
to each other where there's

595
00:23:39,990 --> 00:23:39,039
any screaming or anything everybody was

596
00:23:43,029 --> 00:23:40,000
quiet and

597
00:23:46,390 --> 00:23:43,039
really scared really frightened

598
00:23:49,029 --> 00:23:46,400
wow that sounds like such a nightmare

599
00:23:50,549 --> 00:23:49,039
it was a nightmare it has been a it's

600
00:23:52,470 --> 00:23:50,559
been a contin for me it's been a

601
00:23:55,510 --> 00:23:52,480
continuous nightmare some

602
00:23:57,510 --> 00:23:55,520
people seem to think that it's

603
00:24:00,390 --> 00:23:57,520
really fun to have something like this

604
00:24:03,190 --> 00:24:00,400
happen but we don't know what it was we

605
00:24:05,590 --> 00:24:03,200
don't know what happened we don't know

606
00:24:07,430 --> 00:24:05,600
whether it was government we don't know

607
00:24:10,390 --> 00:24:07,440
whether it was

608
00:24:11,350 --> 00:24:10,400
ufos we never said that it was ufos we

609
00:24:14,310 --> 00:24:11,360
don't know what

610
00:24:16,549 --> 00:24:14,320
happened that's what i'm saying we don't

611
00:24:19,590 --> 00:24:16,559
know what happened

612
00:24:23,269 --> 00:24:19,600
so so you you you get through this in in

613
00:24:27,029 --> 00:24:23,279
in you have to live your

614
00:24:29,350 --> 00:24:27,039
childhood basically with being told to

615
00:24:31,750 --> 00:24:29,360
forget about it and that it was nothing

616
00:24:32,710 --> 00:24:31,760
and uh i mean that sounds so damaging in

617
00:24:36,149 --> 00:24:32,720
general

618
00:24:39,350 --> 00:24:36,159
um but how do you

619
00:24:41,269 --> 00:24:39,360
cope with it now if does it does it

620
00:24:43,830 --> 00:24:41,279
bother you now if someone says oh that's

621
00:24:45,590 --> 00:24:43,840
a bunch of baloney you know it

622
00:24:46,870 --> 00:24:45,600
that never happened i mean how do you

623
00:24:48,630 --> 00:24:46,880
deal with that now does it just not

624
00:24:51,430 --> 00:24:48,640
bother you or

625
00:24:53,350 --> 00:24:51,440
or does it upset you no it doesn't upset

626
00:24:56,950 --> 00:24:53,360
me now because i know it happened

627
00:24:59,750 --> 00:24:56,960
i have the videos of um

628
00:25:01,350 --> 00:24:59,760
my husband when i was being being

629
00:25:05,190 --> 00:25:01,360
hypnotized

630
00:25:08,310 --> 00:25:05,200
he filmed all my hypnosis thera um

631
00:25:09,430 --> 00:25:08,320
therapies so i i don't like watching

632
00:25:12,310 --> 00:25:09,440
them myself

633
00:25:13,430 --> 00:25:12,320
but i know it happened i always knew

634
00:25:16,710 --> 00:25:13,440
that it happened

635
00:25:19,190 --> 00:25:16,720
because he and my sister

636
00:25:21,269 --> 00:25:19,200
and i always talked about it are

637
00:25:24,710 --> 00:25:21,279
ourselves

638
00:25:28,870 --> 00:25:24,720
but when my mother confirmed it

639
00:25:32,789 --> 00:25:28,880
we knew then that it really did happen

640
00:25:35,669 --> 00:25:32,799
so then going through hypnosis

641
00:25:37,590 --> 00:25:35,679
really confirmed it right so i don't

642
00:25:39,269 --> 00:25:37,600
care who believes it and who doesn't

643
00:25:40,630 --> 00:25:39,279
believe it it doesn't matter to me

644
00:25:43,750 --> 00:25:40,640
anymore

645
00:25:45,269 --> 00:25:43,760
and and what what was it that made your

646
00:25:49,190 --> 00:25:45,279
mother finally

647
00:25:51,830 --> 00:25:49,200
say it happened you know

648
00:25:53,990 --> 00:25:51,840
i guess because people were starting to

649
00:25:57,990 --> 00:25:54,000
come forward

650
00:26:01,269 --> 00:25:58,000
and so she just decided

651
00:26:03,990 --> 00:26:01,279
okay i can now come forward

652
00:26:06,950 --> 00:26:04,000
she just always wanted to make it out

653
00:26:10,070 --> 00:26:06,960
like i was crazy or something i mean

654
00:26:11,669 --> 00:26:10,080
she would call me trouble and

655
00:26:14,310 --> 00:26:11,679
i don't know she would just she didn't

656
00:26:17,909 --> 00:26:14,320
want to talk about it

657
00:26:20,950 --> 00:26:17,919
now let me ask you this and if you

658
00:26:23,990 --> 00:26:20,960
if you were ever exposed to any of

659
00:26:25,430 --> 00:26:24,000
um someone like john mack um

660
00:26:27,430 --> 00:26:25,440
i don't know even to know if you know

661
00:26:30,310 --> 00:26:27,440
who he is he was a harvard

662
00:26:31,669 --> 00:26:30,320
professor child psychologist but he also

663
00:26:34,789 --> 00:26:31,679
took an interest

664
00:26:38,070 --> 00:26:34,799
in in this topic and people that

665
00:26:41,190 --> 00:26:38,080
had encounters and so the question

666
00:26:43,669 --> 00:26:41,200
is did anyone after this happen did

667
00:26:45,909 --> 00:26:43,679
anyone come to the area

668
00:26:47,269 --> 00:26:45,919
and try to find out more information

669
00:26:51,190 --> 00:26:47,279
about what went on

670
00:26:53,430 --> 00:26:51,200
or was it was it kept basically quiet

671
00:26:55,029 --> 00:26:53,440
it was kept really quiet i think the

672
00:26:57,750 --> 00:26:55,039
only people that ever really talked

673
00:27:01,110 --> 00:26:57,760
about it was the reed family because

674
00:27:02,390 --> 00:27:01,120
tom's mom is so open-minded he was

675
00:27:07,110 --> 00:27:02,400
really lucky that

676
00:27:08,789 --> 00:27:07,120
he had such a good mom that and also the

677
00:27:11,269 --> 00:27:08,799
other

678
00:27:13,110 --> 00:27:11,279
woman that called me up to tell me that

679
00:27:14,870 --> 00:27:13,120
her sister and i i'm not going to use

680
00:27:15,750 --> 00:27:14,880
any names because they're very private

681
00:27:17,830 --> 00:27:15,760
people

682
00:27:19,590 --> 00:27:17,840
but she was kind enough to call me and

683
00:27:20,310 --> 00:27:19,600
tell me that her sister had the same

684
00:27:23,190 --> 00:27:20,320
experience

685
00:27:24,630 --> 00:27:23,200
that i went through and her mom was very

686
00:27:26,710 --> 00:27:24,640
open-minded as well

687
00:27:28,149 --> 00:27:26,720
and i was blessed that she called me to

688
00:27:30,149 --> 00:27:28,159
tell me that she went through the same

689
00:27:33,669 --> 00:27:30,159
experience as me

690
00:27:34,310 --> 00:27:33,679
so her mom was an extremely open-minded

691
00:27:37,669 --> 00:27:34,320
woman

692
00:27:40,310 --> 00:27:37,679
and i think that when

693
00:27:41,990 --> 00:27:40,320
parents are open-minded like that it's

694
00:27:44,549 --> 00:27:42,000
beneficial to the children

695
00:27:46,230 --> 00:27:44,559
because it gets them through such hard

696
00:27:49,510 --> 00:27:46,240
times like that

697
00:27:52,710 --> 00:27:49,520
sure thing absolutely um so

698
00:27:55,669 --> 00:27:52,720
i noticed at the end of the episode

699
00:27:57,830 --> 00:27:55,679
on unsolved mysteries it gave an email

700
00:28:00,230 --> 00:27:57,840
address or some way to contact them

701
00:28:01,190 --> 00:28:00,240
and it said if you experienced something

702
00:28:06,870 --> 00:28:01,200
september 1st

703
00:28:10,149 --> 00:28:06,880
us and all that has

704
00:28:11,510 --> 00:28:10,159
since this has aired and uh it certainly

705
00:28:14,710 --> 00:28:11,520
got a lot of

706
00:28:17,190 --> 00:28:14,720
uh watches all over the world have

707
00:28:19,830 --> 00:28:17,200
as far as you know have other people

708
00:28:22,230 --> 00:28:19,840
come forward and talked about this

709
00:28:23,990 --> 00:28:22,240
i when i was on facebook which i'm not

710
00:28:27,750 --> 00:28:24,000
on facebook anymore

711
00:28:30,870 --> 00:28:27,760
i had so many people contact me

712
00:28:33,590 --> 00:28:30,880
that had experiences and i still keep in

713
00:28:36,710 --> 00:28:33,600
touch with a lot of these people

714
00:28:37,590 --> 00:28:36,720
um and there's like i said there is the

715
00:28:39,990 --> 00:28:37,600
one

716
00:28:41,909 --> 00:28:40,000
man that's out in california that had a

717
00:28:44,789 --> 00:28:41,919
horrendous experience

718
00:28:45,430 --> 00:28:44,799
up at the berkshire heights area and

719
00:28:48,710 --> 00:28:45,440
then there's

720
00:28:49,909 --> 00:28:48,720
um the other girl and then i met another

721
00:28:52,070 --> 00:28:49,919
woman

722
00:28:54,310 --> 00:28:52,080
that had an experience very similar to

723
00:28:58,149 --> 00:28:54,320
mine and i hadn't even

724
00:28:58,549 --> 00:28:58,159
told her about the little grey men and

725
00:29:02,789 --> 00:28:58,559
she

726
00:29:05,669 --> 00:29:02,799
same

727
00:29:07,510 --> 00:29:05,679
people or man that i used to see as a

728
00:29:10,549 --> 00:29:07,520
child she saw the same

729
00:29:13,669 --> 00:29:10,559
exact men in a cave

730
00:29:16,950 --> 00:29:13,679
out in the desert i mean

731
00:29:18,710 --> 00:29:16,960
it was bizarre at the same age as me

732
00:29:20,389 --> 00:29:18,720
so and her father worked for the

733
00:29:22,230 --> 00:29:20,399
military

734
00:29:23,909 --> 00:29:22,240
so there it was definitely there was

735
00:29:27,350 --> 00:29:23,919
something going on back then

736
00:29:29,909 --> 00:29:27,360
in the 1960s early 70s yeah

737
00:29:30,870 --> 00:29:29,919
so um and i i do want to talk to you

738
00:29:32,710 --> 00:29:30,880
more about

739
00:29:33,909 --> 00:29:32,720
what happened in your childhood at some

740
00:29:36,470 --> 00:29:33,919
point here tonight

741
00:29:37,269 --> 00:29:36,480
but just going along the lines of this

742
00:29:39,990 --> 00:29:37,279
one

743
00:29:41,350 --> 00:29:40,000
so you try to this thing happens it's

744
00:29:43,909 --> 00:29:41,360
summer i mean it's late

745
00:29:44,549 --> 00:29:43,919
well it's actually september but it's

746
00:29:46,630 --> 00:29:44,559
still i mean

747
00:29:47,590 --> 00:29:46,640
i know it was a very hot day that day

748
00:29:50,389 --> 00:29:47,600
but um

749
00:29:51,350 --> 00:29:50,399
soon school starts or it already started

750
00:29:53,510 --> 00:29:51,360
um

751
00:29:55,110 --> 00:29:53,520
was this talked about at all do you

752
00:29:57,669 --> 00:29:55,120
remember this being talked about in

753
00:29:59,430 --> 00:29:57,679
school when you got back to it

754
00:30:01,190 --> 00:29:59,440
we couldn't we weren't allowed to talk

755
00:30:02,389 --> 00:30:01,200
about it we weren't supposed to talk

756
00:30:04,870 --> 00:30:02,399
about it

757
00:30:06,710 --> 00:30:04,880
my sister and i we used to watch ufos

758
00:30:08,630 --> 00:30:06,720
all the time out of the window out of

759
00:30:11,110 --> 00:30:08,640
our bedroom window

760
00:30:11,750 --> 00:30:11,120
and because you could see them over east

761
00:30:14,789 --> 00:30:11,760
mountain

762
00:30:16,230 --> 00:30:14,799
we would watch them but you just didn't

763
00:30:18,870 --> 00:30:16,240
talk about it because you were

764
00:30:20,789 --> 00:30:18,880
called crazy you're just crazy people if

765
00:30:22,630 --> 00:30:20,799
you talked about it was always swamp gas

766
00:30:25,350 --> 00:30:22,640
that's what they would call it swamp gas

767
00:30:26,149 --> 00:30:25,360
i heard that um but what about other

768
00:30:27,510 --> 00:30:26,159
kids no one

769
00:30:29,110 --> 00:30:27,520
no one else talked about it i mean

770
00:30:30,950 --> 00:30:29,120
wasn't i would think it would be a

771
00:30:31,590 --> 00:30:30,960
burning topic in the school because so

772
00:30:33,590 --> 00:30:31,600
many people

773
00:30:36,710 --> 00:30:33,600
saw that happen no i was always swamp

774
00:30:39,750 --> 00:30:36,720
gassed ufos just didn't exist

775
00:30:41,909 --> 00:30:39,760
wow wow even the radio station called it

776
00:30:45,430 --> 00:30:41,919
swamp gas

777
00:30:46,870 --> 00:30:45,440
and um and how many people reported it

778
00:30:49,990 --> 00:30:46,880
any idea and where

779
00:30:52,549 --> 00:30:50,000
where would someone report what they

780
00:30:53,590 --> 00:30:52,559
saw in that area you would probably i

781
00:30:57,750 --> 00:30:53,600
know that

782
00:31:00,870 --> 00:30:57,760
a friend of mine her landlord

783
00:31:01,590 --> 00:31:00,880
said that she was a teenager at the time

784
00:31:04,630 --> 00:31:01,600
and

785
00:31:07,909 --> 00:31:04,640
she's older than me she told

786
00:31:09,350 --> 00:31:07,919
um a friend of mine that she remembers

787
00:31:11,909 --> 00:31:09,360
seeing it she was living in west

788
00:31:14,710 --> 00:31:11,919
stockbridge i believe it was at the time

789
00:31:15,750 --> 00:31:14,720
she said that she actually remembers it

790
00:31:19,830 --> 00:31:15,760
coming over

791
00:31:21,350 --> 00:31:19,840
um the scanner the police scanner

792
00:31:24,149 --> 00:31:21,360
she remembered hearing it come over the

793
00:31:28,549 --> 00:31:24,159
police scanner but the police claim that

794
00:31:31,590 --> 00:31:28,559
they heard nothing no reports so

795
00:31:34,389 --> 00:31:31,600
this is just what i've heard through

796
00:31:35,110 --> 00:31:34,399
a friend of mine yeah so you hear

797
00:31:38,310 --> 00:31:35,120
stories

798
00:31:40,389 --> 00:31:38,320
and then henry my husband he's talked to

799
00:31:41,590 --> 00:31:40,399
other people that saw it the same night

800
00:31:44,870 --> 00:31:41,600
as well

801
00:31:46,549 --> 00:31:44,880
many people saw it that night yeah

802
00:31:48,149 --> 00:31:46,559
and i've heard some of the descriptions

803
00:31:49,750 --> 00:31:48,159
of this thing and it sounds like a

804
00:31:53,269 --> 00:31:49,760
fantastic

805
00:31:55,350 --> 00:31:53,279
whatever it was you know huge and

806
00:31:56,950 --> 00:31:55,360
um uh jane i'm trying to remember what

807
00:31:59,669 --> 00:31:56,960
her last name is jane

808
00:32:00,149 --> 00:31:59,679
green green that's right uh she talks

809
00:32:03,190 --> 00:32:00,159
about it

810
00:32:05,029 --> 00:32:03,200
being so huge she's looking at it from

811
00:32:06,470 --> 00:32:05,039
her car and she can't see one edge or

812
00:32:09,590 --> 00:32:06,480
the other it was

813
00:32:10,789 --> 00:32:09,600
it was huge but you only saw a light

814
00:32:12,830 --> 00:32:10,799
coming across the lake

815
00:32:13,990 --> 00:32:12,840
at that point right you never saw an

816
00:32:16,789 --> 00:32:14,000
object

817
00:32:18,870 --> 00:32:16,799
always i remember is this this giant

818
00:32:21,509 --> 00:32:18,880
giant light but it was huge

819
00:32:23,430 --> 00:32:21,519
it took up the light it was just huge

820
00:32:24,070 --> 00:32:23,440
and then i put my head down because i

821
00:32:26,870 --> 00:32:24,080
was so

822
00:32:28,070 --> 00:32:26,880
scared now did your father actually put

823
00:32:30,630 --> 00:32:28,080
the car in gear and start

824
00:32:31,509 --> 00:32:30,640
moving yeah and and we were all

825
00:32:33,750 --> 00:32:31,519
screaming

826
00:32:34,870 --> 00:32:33,760
yeah he started chasing it and then i

827
00:32:38,310 --> 00:32:34,880
just remember

828
00:32:41,190 --> 00:32:38,320
just levitating it was so fast

829
00:32:43,110 --> 00:32:41,200
everything happened so fast and your

830
00:32:45,029 --> 00:32:43,120
sister wasn't i'm assuming she was you

831
00:32:47,990 --> 00:32:45,039
said she was in the back or with that

832
00:32:49,110 --> 00:32:48,000
army blanket or near that with you um

833
00:32:52,070 --> 00:32:49,120
does she recall

834
00:32:54,070 --> 00:32:52,080
anything happening to you the only thing

835
00:32:55,190 --> 00:32:54,080
she remembers is me climbing into bed

836
00:32:58,630 --> 00:32:55,200
with her

837
00:33:01,909 --> 00:32:58,640
that's it it is us being

838
00:33:05,029 --> 00:33:01,919
really scared has she ever

839
00:33:08,470 --> 00:33:05,039
considered getting any type of um

840
00:33:10,470 --> 00:33:08,480
regression therapy as well no she won't

841
00:33:14,549 --> 00:33:10,480
i've asked her if she wanted to

842
00:33:17,190 --> 00:33:14,559
and she said no but she always calls

843
00:33:17,590 --> 00:33:17,200
me now because it's funny ever since i

844
00:33:21,350 --> 00:33:17,600
did

845
00:33:23,830 --> 00:33:21,360
go for hypnosis things will come to me

846
00:33:25,430 --> 00:33:23,840
like my mother will say to her please

847
00:33:26,630 --> 00:33:25,440
call melanie and ask her if she can

848
00:33:29,430 --> 00:33:26,640
remember this or that

849
00:33:30,870 --> 00:33:29,440
because if they ask me a question it

850
00:33:33,830 --> 00:33:30,880
will come to me

851
00:33:34,310 --> 00:33:33,840
because of the hypnosis things will come

852
00:33:36,630 --> 00:33:34,320
to me

853
00:33:38,310 --> 00:33:36,640
after a while it might take a bit but it

854
00:33:40,710 --> 00:33:38,320
will come to me

855
00:33:42,310 --> 00:33:40,720
even certain songs that my mother would

856
00:33:44,310 --> 00:33:42,320
sing to us when we were little

857
00:33:45,509 --> 00:33:44,320
that we would forget when we were like

858
00:33:47,909 --> 00:33:45,519
three

859
00:33:49,830 --> 00:33:47,919
it'll just come to me that we forgot

860
00:33:52,950 --> 00:33:49,840
about

861
00:33:55,190 --> 00:33:52,960
it's amazing it's very weird

862
00:33:56,710 --> 00:33:55,200
i mean i can remember bed spreads i can

863
00:33:59,990 --> 00:33:56,720
remember what the floor looked like but

864
00:34:05,190 --> 00:34:03,909
well and um yeah it sounds like such a

865
00:34:07,990 --> 00:34:05,200
traumatic

866
00:34:08,550 --> 00:34:08,000
situation and i also heard you say on

867
00:34:12,149 --> 00:34:08,560
another

868
00:34:14,470 --> 00:34:12,159
interview that um because you

869
00:34:15,909 --> 00:34:14,480
wanted to talk about it you were locked

870
00:34:19,270 --> 00:34:15,919
in the basement

871
00:34:21,349 --> 00:34:19,280
is that so well that's when when i was

872
00:34:23,190 --> 00:34:21,359
when we were living in the uh russell

873
00:34:25,430 --> 00:34:23,200
street house

874
00:34:27,669 --> 00:34:25,440
and my sister and i that's when we had

875
00:34:29,109 --> 00:34:27,679
our we had twin beds back then when we

876
00:34:33,030 --> 00:34:29,119
were a little little

877
00:34:34,950 --> 00:34:33,040
and um that's when that to me was even

878
00:34:37,109 --> 00:34:34,960
actually more frightening because that's

879
00:34:39,030 --> 00:34:37,119
when i would see this little grey man

880
00:34:41,430 --> 00:34:39,040
would come into my room

881
00:34:42,389 --> 00:34:41,440
and i would tell my parents and they

882
00:34:45,510 --> 00:34:42,399
wouldn't believe me

883
00:34:46,550 --> 00:34:45,520
but that's when my sister did see this

884
00:34:51,030 --> 00:34:46,560
thing

885
00:34:52,550 --> 00:34:51,040
was happening at their place which was

886
00:34:55,190 --> 00:34:52,560
just beyond

887
00:34:57,430 --> 00:34:55,200
and all of these incidences always took

888
00:35:00,870 --> 00:34:57,440
place around water

889
00:35:05,589 --> 00:35:00,880
always around water the housatonic river

890
00:35:08,710 --> 00:35:05,599
lake mansfield always around water

891
00:35:11,349 --> 00:35:08,720
and i was so frightened

892
00:35:13,829 --> 00:35:11,359
that they had to have known something

893
00:35:17,109 --> 00:35:13,839
was going on because my dad

894
00:35:20,390 --> 00:35:17,119
he put locks all on the attic would go

895
00:35:22,230 --> 00:35:20,400
up the attic was in our bedroom

896
00:35:23,910 --> 00:35:22,240
it was the closet and then the attic

897
00:35:27,910 --> 00:35:23,920
would go up he took

898
00:35:30,150 --> 00:35:27,920
these um bolts those heavy bolted locks

899
00:35:31,190 --> 00:35:30,160
he put about five of them on the attic

900
00:35:33,349 --> 00:35:31,200
door

901
00:35:34,310 --> 00:35:33,359
hoping that it would help me to sleep at

902
00:35:37,109 --> 00:35:34,320
night

903
00:35:38,710 --> 00:35:37,119
wow but it's not gonna keep them out

904
00:35:40,470 --> 00:35:38,720
they're gonna come in anyways

905
00:35:43,589 --> 00:35:40,480
and they're gonna remove you and take

906
00:35:47,430 --> 00:35:43,599
you out and then my mother would find me

907
00:35:50,470 --> 00:35:47,440
sleepwalking at night

908
00:35:52,150 --> 00:35:50,480
afterwards she would just

909
00:35:54,069 --> 00:35:52,160
she said i'd be in her room and i would

910
00:35:56,950 --> 00:35:54,079
just go hi mom hi

911
00:35:57,990 --> 00:35:56,960
afterwards and then they couldn't get me

912
00:35:59,670 --> 00:35:58,000
to go to sleep so

913
00:36:01,349 --> 00:35:59,680
they would you know i got locked in the

914
00:36:03,349 --> 00:36:01,359
basement because of it

915
00:36:06,230 --> 00:36:03,359
because i it would drive them nuts i was

916
00:36:07,990 --> 00:36:06,240
so scared to go to bed

917
00:36:09,670 --> 00:36:08,000
i was scared to death if i didn't have

918
00:36:13,349 --> 00:36:09,680
my sister i would never have slept

919
00:36:16,870 --> 00:36:13,359
i was afraid to go to school even

920
00:36:21,270 --> 00:36:16,880
i was scared i was so frightened by this

921
00:36:25,829 --> 00:36:21,280
yeah and did it finally stop

922
00:36:28,950 --> 00:36:25,839
it didn't stop until after that whole 69

923
00:36:29,910 --> 00:36:28,960
incident and then it happened again in

924
00:36:32,550 --> 00:36:29,920
the 19

925
00:36:33,829 --> 00:36:32,560
the last episode would be that last

926
00:36:36,950 --> 00:36:33,839
incident would have been

927
00:36:40,069 --> 00:36:36,960
in the 1990s but then again

928
00:36:43,270 --> 00:36:40,079
i didn't see them it was just a

929
00:36:43,990 --> 00:36:43,280
huge bright light around my house and i

930
00:36:47,990 --> 00:36:44,000
couldn't wake

931
00:36:52,150 --> 00:36:48,000
any of the animals

932
00:36:55,030 --> 00:36:52,160
any of my children up or my husband up

933
00:36:56,470 --> 00:36:55,040
and nothing happened though but i just

934
00:36:58,630 --> 00:36:56,480
couldn't wake anybody up

935
00:37:01,430 --> 00:36:58,640
and then i got under the covers but that

936
00:37:03,990 --> 00:37:01,440
was the last time was in the 90s

937
00:37:04,710 --> 00:37:04,000
and i don't ever want it to happen again

938
00:37:31,030 --> 00:37:04,720
i

939
00:37:34,069 --> 00:37:31,040
when you

940
00:37:36,069 --> 00:37:34,079
uh mentioned that you had stomach pain

941
00:37:37,430 --> 00:37:36,079
did anything come of that or has have

942
00:37:39,829 --> 00:37:37,440
you had any trouble

943
00:37:40,790 --> 00:37:39,839
i've had a lot of gynecological problems

944
00:37:44,150 --> 00:37:40,800
yes and

945
00:37:47,589 --> 00:37:44,160
also my dad when i was a child

946
00:37:51,030 --> 00:37:47,599
he was always bringing me to the doctors

947
00:37:54,310 --> 00:37:51,040
for stomach issues always as a child

948
00:37:57,109 --> 00:37:54,320
after that oh yeah always as a child he

949
00:38:00,950 --> 00:37:57,119
was bringing me to the doctors

950
00:38:04,230 --> 00:38:00,960
wow wow sounds sounds awful

951
00:38:06,870 --> 00:38:04,240
um i just don't know how well

952
00:38:07,750 --> 00:38:06,880
you're here and uh you're a very nice

953
00:38:11,349 --> 00:38:07,760
lady

954
00:38:13,670 --> 00:38:11,359
and uh and and i'm sure

955
00:38:14,870 --> 00:38:13,680
that uh it's almost you know you talk

956
00:38:18,230 --> 00:38:14,880
about therapy

957
00:38:20,870 --> 00:38:18,240
it must be also comforting to talk to

958
00:38:22,150 --> 00:38:20,880
someone else that has gone through this

959
00:38:25,030 --> 00:38:22,160
experience you

960
00:38:26,470 --> 00:38:25,040
you know you don't feel so all alone

961
00:38:29,190 --> 00:38:26,480
after you speak to someone like that

962
00:38:31,670 --> 00:38:29,200
that went through it because

963
00:38:32,230 --> 00:38:31,680
you know it just seems like such a hard

964
00:38:35,109 --> 00:38:32,240
thing would

965
00:38:36,630 --> 00:38:35,119
be such a hard thing to bring up like to

966
00:38:37,190 --> 00:38:36,640
someone you're trying to get comfortable

967
00:38:38,710 --> 00:38:37,200
with

968
00:38:41,510 --> 00:38:38,720
you know trying to get to know i mean

969
00:38:44,790 --> 00:38:41,520
how do you breach the topic like that

970
00:38:46,870 --> 00:38:44,800
you know of this whole situation i mean

971
00:38:48,630 --> 00:38:46,880
do you have you confided in your your

972
00:38:51,190 --> 00:38:48,640
friends along the way

973
00:38:53,270 --> 00:38:51,200
i don't usually talk about it actually

974
00:38:55,430 --> 00:38:53,280
henry talks about it my husband talks

975
00:38:59,030 --> 00:38:55,440
about it more than i talk about it

976
00:39:02,230 --> 00:38:59,040
i mean i the only people i ever talked

977
00:39:05,349 --> 00:39:02,240
about it too was i had a boyfriend

978
00:39:07,270 --> 00:39:05,359
in um seventh grade six

979
00:39:09,190 --> 00:39:07,280
sixth and seventh grade i met him when i

980
00:39:10,870 --> 00:39:09,200
was 11 years old

981
00:39:12,470 --> 00:39:10,880
and i always talked to him about it and

982
00:39:15,589 --> 00:39:12,480
my sister about it

983
00:39:17,829 --> 00:39:15,599
i could talk to him and then um

984
00:39:19,990 --> 00:39:17,839
i could talk to my husband about it and

985
00:39:20,470 --> 00:39:20,000
my very close friends always knew about

986
00:39:25,510 --> 00:39:20,480
it

987
00:39:26,710 --> 00:39:25,520
but i never talk about i still don't

988
00:39:29,030 --> 00:39:26,720
really talk about it

989
00:39:29,829 --> 00:39:29,040
and except for to my very close close

990
00:39:32,790 --> 00:39:29,839
friends

991
00:39:33,190 --> 00:39:32,800
henry talks about it more than i do or i

992
00:39:35,990 --> 00:39:33,200
talk

993
00:39:38,150 --> 00:39:36,000
about it to people like you or people

994
00:39:39,829 --> 00:39:38,160
that i do podcasts with but it's not

995
00:39:43,430 --> 00:39:39,839
something that

996
00:39:47,109 --> 00:39:43,440
i talk about sure it's a personal thing

997
00:39:49,750 --> 00:39:47,119
for me right right and um i don't know

998
00:39:51,030 --> 00:39:49,760
how much you've looked into other people

999
00:39:53,349 --> 00:39:51,040
that have

1000
00:39:54,069 --> 00:39:53,359
you know claimed to have had experiences

1001
00:39:57,510 --> 00:39:54,079
like you

1002
00:40:00,069 --> 00:39:57,520
but someone asked in the message room

1003
00:40:01,109 --> 00:40:00,079
um about implants have you ever been

1004
00:40:03,270 --> 00:40:01,119
curious

1005
00:40:05,349 --> 00:40:03,280
or have you ever heard about people

1006
00:40:07,670 --> 00:40:05,359
claiming that there were implants

1007
00:40:09,670 --> 00:40:07,680
yes my one of my sons and i'm not going

1008
00:40:11,430 --> 00:40:09,680
to say which one but one of my sons

1009
00:40:15,109 --> 00:40:11,440
claims that that happened to him and i

1010
00:40:18,550 --> 00:40:15,119
believe him that that did happen to him

1011
00:40:20,630 --> 00:40:18,560
oh so this is uh if you're up to talking

1012
00:40:22,790 --> 00:40:20,640
about it is this continuing in your

1013
00:40:24,470 --> 00:40:22,800
has this continued in your in your

1014
00:40:26,550 --> 00:40:24,480
lineage in your family

1015
00:40:28,710 --> 00:40:26,560
i think so but i i don't think he would

1016
00:40:31,829 --> 00:40:28,720
like for me to talk about it sure

1017
00:40:34,470 --> 00:40:31,839
i understand yeah um and

1018
00:40:35,190 --> 00:40:34,480
just to let you know that's not anything

1019
00:40:38,230 --> 00:40:35,200
uncommon

1020
00:40:40,230 --> 00:40:38,240
it's um i've i mean

1021
00:40:41,270 --> 00:40:40,240
from what i've heard a lot of a lot of

1022
00:40:43,670 --> 00:40:41,280
people

1023
00:40:45,589 --> 00:40:43,680
have said that these things happen

1024
00:40:46,790 --> 00:40:45,599
within a family for some reason i have

1025
00:40:49,910 --> 00:40:46,800
no idea

1026
00:40:51,109 --> 00:40:49,920
um and just like why would they choose

1027
00:40:56,950 --> 00:40:51,119
you

1028
00:40:59,030 --> 00:40:56,960
we don't really know if it didn't happen

1029
00:40:59,990 --> 00:40:59,040
to my sister though because she doesn't

1030
00:41:03,430 --> 00:41:00,000
want to remember

1031
00:41:04,150 --> 00:41:03,440
she knows that she saw the the little

1032
00:41:07,030 --> 00:41:04,160
man

1033
00:41:09,510 --> 00:41:07,040
and she keeps talking about an incident

1034
00:41:12,870 --> 00:41:09,520
that took place in connecticut

1035
00:41:16,630 --> 00:41:12,880
and i don't remember that time either

1036
00:41:20,230 --> 00:41:16,640
and the hypnotist wanted me to continue

1037
00:41:23,349 --> 00:41:20,240
but it was so scary what i already saw

1038
00:41:26,870 --> 00:41:23,359
that i did not want to continue

1039
00:41:29,990 --> 00:41:26,880
because what i saw was enough sure

1040
00:41:35,190 --> 00:41:30,000
it was so frightening and uh

1041
00:41:38,550 --> 00:41:35,200
so talking about your other experiences

1042
00:41:40,710 --> 00:41:38,560
when would you say the it was

1043
00:41:42,550 --> 00:41:40,720
the youngest that you remember something

1044
00:41:45,750 --> 00:41:42,560
happening

1045
00:41:49,030 --> 00:41:45,760
uh i i would say it started at two

1046
00:41:51,589 --> 00:41:49,040
the most um two i

1047
00:41:54,630 --> 00:41:51,599
i would say that's when i my mother

1048
00:41:55,750 --> 00:41:54,640
tells me a really bizarre creepy creepy

1049
00:41:58,750 --> 00:41:55,760
story

1050
00:41:59,910 --> 00:41:58,760
that doesn't make any sense to me

1051
00:42:02,069 --> 00:41:59,920
whatsoever

1052
00:42:03,670 --> 00:42:02,079
it makes no sense and she's told it to

1053
00:42:06,309 --> 00:42:03,680
me so many times

1054
00:42:09,190 --> 00:42:06,319
and she can't figure it out either it

1055
00:42:12,390 --> 00:42:09,200
might not have anything to do with it

1056
00:42:12,950 --> 00:42:12,400
but it to me it makes no sense and i

1057
00:42:14,870 --> 00:42:12,960
keep saying

1058
00:42:17,270 --> 00:42:14,880
and i used to say to her mom that makes

1059
00:42:20,550 --> 00:42:17,280
no sense what you're talking about

1060
00:42:22,950 --> 00:42:20,560
but she tells me a story about how

1061
00:42:25,750 --> 00:42:22,960
she she made me go to my room when i was

1062
00:42:28,710 --> 00:42:25,760
like two or two and a half

1063
00:42:30,870 --> 00:42:28,720
it was like a time out that she gave me

1064
00:42:33,910 --> 00:42:30,880
and she said she went to check on me to

1065
00:42:35,109 --> 00:42:33,920
because i was too quiet and she said i

1066
00:42:39,510 --> 00:42:35,119
had a

1067
00:42:42,230 --> 00:42:39,520
clothes pin with cloth wrapped around it

1068
00:42:43,670 --> 00:42:42,240
and i was taking a pin sticking a pin

1069
00:42:45,190 --> 00:42:43,680
into it

1070
00:42:49,349 --> 00:42:45,200
and she said what are you doing and i

1071
00:42:52,390 --> 00:42:49,359
said this is a doll and that's you

1072
00:42:52,870 --> 00:42:52,400
and it's like first of all we didn't

1073
00:42:56,230 --> 00:42:52,880
have

1074
00:42:58,710 --> 00:42:56,240
television back then so

1075
00:42:59,349 --> 00:42:58,720
why would i be making a voodoo doll

1076
00:43:01,270 --> 00:42:59,359
because

1077
00:43:04,069 --> 00:43:01,280
how would i know about voodoo at that

1078
00:43:04,390 --> 00:43:04,079
age and we wouldn't watch something like

1079
00:43:07,349 --> 00:43:04,400
that

1080
00:43:09,750 --> 00:43:07,359
on tv back then because they wouldn't

1081
00:43:11,829 --> 00:43:09,760
have that on tv

1082
00:43:13,430 --> 00:43:11,839
so where would i learn to be putting

1083
00:43:17,750 --> 00:43:13,440
things in a

1084
00:43:20,710 --> 00:43:17,760
person wow so only on philippines island

1085
00:43:21,190 --> 00:43:20,720
they did that and we didn't have tv i

1086
00:43:24,630 --> 00:43:21,200
mean

1087
00:43:27,750 --> 00:43:24,640
think about it that would have been 1959

1088
00:43:29,589 --> 00:43:27,760
because i was born in 57 so that would

1089
00:43:32,870 --> 00:43:29,599
have been 1959

1090
00:43:34,630 --> 00:43:32,880
it doesn't make any sense to me it makes

1091
00:43:38,230 --> 00:43:34,640
no sense at all

1092
00:43:40,150 --> 00:43:38,240
so i can't figure that one out

1093
00:43:42,470 --> 00:43:40,160
and she's told me that story so many

1094
00:43:43,910 --> 00:43:42,480
times it it makes me

1095
00:43:46,309 --> 00:43:43,920
i don't know whether she tells me that

1096
00:43:48,630 --> 00:43:46,319
story to make me feel bad

1097
00:43:51,190 --> 00:43:48,640
that i did that or historically it

1098
00:43:53,589 --> 00:43:51,200
sounds like it

1099
00:43:56,069 --> 00:43:53,599
historically in your family i wouldn't

1100
00:43:58,870 --> 00:43:56,079
be surprised unfortunately

1101
00:44:00,470 --> 00:43:58,880
now going back to your sister's

1102
00:44:02,630 --> 00:44:00,480
connecticut

1103
00:44:05,190 --> 00:44:02,640
um incident that she remembers did she

1104
00:44:07,030 --> 00:44:05,200
give you any details about that

1105
00:44:09,270 --> 00:44:07,040
no she always says to me though don't

1106
00:44:11,910 --> 00:44:09,280
you remember that time in connecticut

1107
00:44:13,349 --> 00:44:11,920
when when we saw that ufo that was

1108
00:44:16,470 --> 00:44:13,359
following us in connecticut

1109
00:44:17,190 --> 00:44:16,480
and i'm like i really don't jane because

1110
00:44:23,190 --> 00:44:17,200
we were

1111
00:44:25,349 --> 00:44:23,200
that we needed to forget about all of

1112
00:44:27,829 --> 00:44:25,359
this we could never talk about it we

1113
00:44:28,710 --> 00:44:27,839
had to forget about it just don't talk

1114
00:44:31,990 --> 00:44:28,720
about it

1115
00:44:35,030 --> 00:44:32,000
never talk about these experiences

1116
00:44:36,309 --> 00:44:35,040
i mean to be locked in a basement if you

1117
00:44:38,470 --> 00:44:36,319
talk about it

1118
00:44:41,030 --> 00:44:38,480
you're not going to talk about that

1119
00:44:42,630 --> 00:44:41,040
you're going to zip it

1120
00:44:44,309 --> 00:44:42,640
so of course you're going to forget all

1121
00:44:48,710 --> 00:44:44,319
of these things

1122
00:44:50,630 --> 00:44:48,720
yeah yeah wow um and

1123
00:44:52,790 --> 00:44:50,640
as far as i remember seeing it out in

1124
00:44:54,710 --> 00:44:52,800
the daytime too i remember seeing it in

1125
00:44:57,030 --> 00:44:54,720
the trunk of a tree

1126
00:44:58,950 --> 00:44:57,040
it was outside in the next door

1127
00:44:59,589 --> 00:44:58,960
neighbor's yard once right at the trunk

1128
00:45:02,630 --> 00:44:59,599
of a tree

1129
00:45:05,990 --> 00:45:02,640
sitting down calling me over it was

1130
00:45:08,390 --> 00:45:06,000
so scary and i remember running

1131
00:45:09,270 --> 00:45:08,400
wow so this thing was whatever it was

1132
00:45:12,710 --> 00:45:09,280
was happening

1133
00:45:15,349 --> 00:45:12,720
even in daylight yes

1134
00:45:17,030 --> 00:45:15,359
wow i'll never forget that i can still

1135
00:45:19,589 --> 00:45:17,040
see it to this day too

1136
00:45:22,790 --> 00:45:19,599
and my sister said she's when she saw it

1137
00:45:24,870 --> 00:45:22,800
she saw up in the tree too

1138
00:45:26,710 --> 00:45:24,880
and would you describe it as what people

1139
00:45:29,990 --> 00:45:26,720
call the typical gray

1140
00:45:32,550 --> 00:45:30,000
yes very much like that

1141
00:45:33,109 --> 00:45:32,560
very much like that so the large eyes

1142
00:45:37,589 --> 00:45:33,119
and the

1143
00:45:40,710 --> 00:45:37,599
large head and no uh visible nose or

1144
00:45:43,990 --> 00:45:40,720
very much so very much so

1145
00:45:46,230 --> 00:45:44,000
wow and uh movement moving

1146
00:45:47,190 --> 00:45:46,240
now do you remember the movement like a

1147
00:45:50,870 --> 00:45:47,200
natural moving

1148
00:45:54,230 --> 00:45:50,880
oh yeah yeah but i remember the hands

1149
00:45:57,670 --> 00:45:54,240
the hands were like this

1150
00:46:00,470 --> 00:45:57,680
you mean like two two

1151
00:46:01,109 --> 00:46:00,480
two fingers type of thing three fingers

1152
00:46:09,349 --> 00:46:01,119
yeah

1153
00:46:11,190 --> 00:46:09,359
huh and and you that

1154
00:46:13,829 --> 00:46:11,200
that that's one of the characteristics

1155
00:46:16,710 --> 00:46:13,839
that stuck out to you

1156
00:46:17,829 --> 00:46:16,720
anything else you can remember no oh

1157
00:46:20,630 --> 00:46:17,839
well i remember

1158
00:46:21,030 --> 00:46:20,640
and i have this dream all the time of it

1159
00:46:23,109 --> 00:46:21,040
too

1160
00:46:24,630 --> 00:46:23,119
and it for for the longest time and i

1161
00:46:27,270 --> 00:46:24,640
can still see it

1162
00:46:27,990 --> 00:46:27,280
being levitated down the husatonic river

1163
00:46:31,030 --> 00:46:28,000
because i can

1164
00:46:31,910 --> 00:46:31,040
still see behind even though you can't

1165
00:46:34,790 --> 00:46:31,920
move

1166
00:46:36,630 --> 00:46:34,800
you're still i remember being above the

1167
00:46:37,990 --> 00:46:36,640
river but i can remember you because you

1168
00:46:40,829 --> 00:46:38,000
can move your eyes

1169
00:46:43,510 --> 00:46:40,839
i can remember the back of melvin's

1170
00:46:45,589 --> 00:46:43,520
drugstore i can remember like

1171
00:46:48,550 --> 00:46:45,599
the building where melvin's drugstore

1172
00:46:51,829 --> 00:46:48,560
was being levitated

1173
00:46:53,589 --> 00:46:51,839
down there down the river and at that

1174
00:46:56,630 --> 00:46:53,599
particular time do you remember

1175
00:46:58,390 --> 00:46:56,640
ending up anywhere no

1176
00:47:00,710 --> 00:46:58,400
i don't i don't know where i ended up

1177
00:47:01,750 --> 00:47:00,720
but i still have that dream to this day

1178
00:47:04,950 --> 00:47:01,760
too

1179
00:47:06,790 --> 00:47:04,960
yeah yeah uh so i can ask

1180
00:47:08,309 --> 00:47:06,800
wonder you wonder if it's a dream or not

1181
00:47:11,190 --> 00:47:08,319
right

1182
00:47:11,750 --> 00:47:11,200
it's an astral dream it's so real and

1183
00:47:15,030 --> 00:47:11,760
then i

1184
00:47:18,069 --> 00:47:15,040
i just like wake up to it

1185
00:47:21,990 --> 00:47:18,079
and it's like am i where am i where am i

1186
00:47:26,069 --> 00:47:22,000
um now when getting back to

1187
00:47:29,190 --> 00:47:26,079
the incident september 1969

1188
00:47:30,230 --> 00:47:29,200
when like later in life did you finally

1189
00:47:32,150 --> 00:47:30,240
start hearing

1190
00:47:34,230 --> 00:47:32,160
people talk about it like i know tom

1191
00:47:36,230 --> 00:47:34,240
reed has talked about it for a long time

1192
00:47:39,109 --> 00:47:36,240
but i mean when did you start hearing

1193
00:47:42,870 --> 00:47:39,119
like whispers of people talking about it

1194
00:47:44,790 --> 00:47:42,880
about three years ago my mom

1195
00:47:46,309 --> 00:47:44,800
contacted me and that's when she told me

1196
00:47:48,870 --> 00:47:46,319
to go to the

1197
00:47:50,870 --> 00:47:48,880
historical society and then i just kind

1198
00:47:53,829 --> 00:47:50,880
of like

1199
00:47:55,750 --> 00:47:53,839
said why are you doing this now and i i

1200
00:47:57,670 --> 00:47:55,760
said why and then i asked my sister and

1201
00:47:58,549 --> 00:47:57,680
she goes why is she doing this she said

1202
00:48:00,470 --> 00:47:58,559
it was a

1203
00:48:02,230 --> 00:48:00,480
shooting star for all these years why

1204
00:48:03,829 --> 00:48:02,240
all of a sudden and i said i don't know

1205
00:48:07,109 --> 00:48:03,839
why is she doing this

1206
00:48:10,870 --> 00:48:07,119
and then i um we were

1207
00:48:13,109 --> 00:48:10,880
i was on facebook and i saw that uh

1208
00:48:14,390 --> 00:48:13,119
tom warner was writing a book and i

1209
00:48:17,990 --> 00:48:14,400
could never even

1210
00:48:18,630 --> 00:48:18,000
watch ufo films movies anything like

1211
00:48:22,470 --> 00:48:18,640
that

1212
00:48:25,750 --> 00:48:22,480
but my husband has always been into um

1213
00:48:27,829 --> 00:48:25,760
ufos and he would watch him so his

1214
00:48:28,230 --> 00:48:27,839
birthday was coming up and i knew that

1215
00:48:29,990 --> 00:48:28,240
uh

1216
00:48:31,270 --> 00:48:30,000
he was friends with tom warner on

1217
00:48:34,230 --> 00:48:31,280
facebook

1218
00:48:36,470 --> 00:48:34,240
so i knew he was writing this book i saw

1219
00:48:39,750 --> 00:48:36,480
that he was writing this book and i said

1220
00:48:43,430 --> 00:48:39,760
i contacted him i had run into him

1221
00:48:48,230 --> 00:48:43,440
at the supermarket buying corn

1222
00:48:51,510 --> 00:48:48,240
and i chatted with him when i saw him

1223
00:48:53,990 --> 00:48:51,520
and um we had met

1224
00:48:55,349 --> 00:48:54,000
each other and i knew that i had seen

1225
00:48:59,030 --> 00:48:55,359
him it was like

1226
00:49:02,069 --> 00:48:59,040
wow i thought he was henry's friend

1227
00:49:04,230 --> 00:49:02,079
on facebook but i and he

1228
00:49:06,230 --> 00:49:04,240
thought that i friended him henry

1229
00:49:09,510 --> 00:49:06,240
friended him or whatever but it was

1230
00:49:13,109 --> 00:49:09,520
really cool to meet him it was like

1231
00:49:17,190 --> 00:49:13,119
we connected and um it was interesting

1232
00:49:20,150 --> 00:49:17,200
because i felt like i'd known him and

1233
00:49:21,430 --> 00:49:20,160
it was bizarre and then i private

1234
00:49:23,430 --> 00:49:21,440
messaged him and said

1235
00:49:24,790 --> 00:49:23,440
i'd like to buy your book for henry for

1236
00:49:27,990 --> 00:49:24,800
a gift

1237
00:49:30,309 --> 00:49:28,000
and he said i need to talk to you

1238
00:49:31,109 --> 00:49:30,319
and i said you need to talk to me and he

1239
00:49:33,990 --> 00:49:31,119
said yes

1240
00:49:35,990 --> 00:49:34,000
and then he's then he told me you know i

1241
00:49:39,349 --> 00:49:36,000
saw you

1242
00:49:43,349 --> 00:49:39,359
and uh i knew that it had happened

1243
00:49:45,190 --> 00:49:43,359
but i didn't know exactly and now he's

1244
00:49:46,790 --> 00:49:45,200
the second person telling me that it

1245
00:49:48,870 --> 00:49:46,800
happened first my mother's telling me

1246
00:49:51,270 --> 00:49:48,880
now he's telling me too

1247
00:49:53,510 --> 00:49:51,280
and i'm like okay before i get into this

1248
00:49:55,990 --> 00:49:53,520
i really gotta go for therapy because

1249
00:49:58,150 --> 00:49:56,000
now i got two people telling me first

1250
00:50:00,630 --> 00:49:58,160
they're telling me it didn't happen

1251
00:50:04,230 --> 00:50:00,640
now they're telling me it did happen so

1252
00:50:06,390 --> 00:50:04,240
i have to be re-unbrainwashed

1253
00:50:08,150 --> 00:50:06,400
do you see what i'm saying yeah it's

1254
00:50:12,150 --> 00:50:08,160
like

1255
00:50:14,150 --> 00:50:12,160
because

1256
00:50:15,670 --> 00:50:14,160
i knew it happened but then they told me

1257
00:50:17,670 --> 00:50:15,680
it didn't happen and now they're telling

1258
00:50:19,430 --> 00:50:17,680
me it did happen

1259
00:50:20,790 --> 00:50:19,440
yeah so what did your mother want to

1260
00:50:23,270 --> 00:50:20,800
accomplish as far as the

1261
00:50:25,190 --> 00:50:23,280
historical society well how did that

1262
00:50:28,470 --> 00:50:25,200
whole thing

1263
00:50:29,349 --> 00:50:28,480
i have no idea martin i really have no

1264
00:50:32,710 --> 00:50:29,359
idea

1265
00:50:35,030 --> 00:50:32,720
what it was all about

1266
00:50:36,230 --> 00:50:35,040
i don't know i don't know what any of

1267
00:50:38,549 --> 00:50:36,240
this was all about

1268
00:50:39,349 --> 00:50:38,559
for to be honest with you for any of

1269
00:50:41,750 --> 00:50:39,359
them

1270
00:50:42,790 --> 00:50:41,760
i almost feel like a pawn in this chess

1271
00:50:46,390 --> 00:50:42,800
game to be

1272
00:50:52,630 --> 00:50:49,430
and and then so you you meet

1273
00:50:55,109 --> 00:50:52,640
tom warner and then when does tom reed

1274
00:50:56,309 --> 00:50:55,119
when do you get connected with tom reed

1275
00:50:59,349 --> 00:50:56,319
uh well i

1276
00:51:01,430 --> 00:50:59,359
interestingly enough tamrie told me that

1277
00:51:03,750 --> 00:51:01,440
my mother and my brother

1278
00:51:06,150 --> 00:51:03,760
were doing radio show we did a radio

1279
00:51:10,150 --> 00:51:06,160
show in 2013

1280
00:51:11,829 --> 00:51:10,160
in oregon about this i had no idea

1281
00:51:13,589 --> 00:51:11,839
how about that so they were talking

1282
00:51:15,510 --> 00:51:13,599
about this when

1283
00:51:16,710 --> 00:51:15,520
i was being told that none of this ever

1284
00:51:19,190 --> 00:51:16,720
happened

1285
00:51:20,549 --> 00:51:19,200
now i never heard the radio show before

1286
00:51:22,470 --> 00:51:20,559
so i don't know

1287
00:51:25,589 --> 00:51:22,480
i'm just repeating something that was

1288
00:51:31,829 --> 00:51:29,190
well yeah that's what i said wow really

1289
00:51:33,750 --> 00:51:31,839
so as late as 2013 you were still being

1290
00:51:38,549 --> 00:51:33,760
told it never happened

1291
00:51:41,510 --> 00:51:38,559
yes i mean i knew that it had happened

1292
00:51:43,109 --> 00:51:41,520
i knew but i was being told it hadn't

1293
00:51:46,580 --> 00:51:43,119
happened

1294
00:51:47,910 --> 00:51:46,590
i was the crazy person in the family

1295
00:51:50,069 --> 00:51:47,920
[Music]

1296
00:51:51,030 --> 00:51:50,079
but i knew i wasn't but i was being told

1297
00:51:52,870 --> 00:51:51,040
i was

1298
00:51:54,309 --> 00:51:52,880
so now i'm a little confused because i

1299
00:51:55,670 --> 00:51:54,319
didn't know we've never talked about

1300
00:51:57,589 --> 00:51:55,680
your brother before

1301
00:51:59,270 --> 00:51:57,599
what was well i don't like to talk about

1302
00:52:00,950 --> 00:51:59,280
him because i'm not close with my

1303
00:52:01,670 --> 00:52:00,960
brother so i'd rather not talk about

1304
00:52:04,710 --> 00:52:01,680
sure

1305
00:52:06,470 --> 00:52:04,720
okay all right um i i was just wondering

1306
00:52:07,750 --> 00:52:06,480
if there was anything he remembered from

1307
00:52:11,349 --> 00:52:07,760
that but that's fine

1308
00:52:12,870 --> 00:52:11,359
um and so obviously he must have

1309
00:52:13,829 --> 00:52:12,880
remembered something to be on a radio

1310
00:52:17,349 --> 00:52:13,839
show that's

1311
00:52:19,109 --> 00:52:17,359
all i'm understanding through this

1312
00:52:21,349 --> 00:52:19,119
that there had to be some reason he was

1313
00:52:25,510 --> 00:52:21,359
on that or picked to go on that show

1314
00:52:28,549 --> 00:52:25,520
and um and and also makes you wonder

1315
00:52:31,190 --> 00:52:28,559
um you know how many other people will

1316
00:52:32,870 --> 00:52:31,200
know about it but didn't will not talk

1317
00:52:36,230 --> 00:52:32,880
about it

1318
00:52:37,589 --> 00:52:36,240
well i think a lot of people expect to

1319
00:52:39,589 --> 00:52:37,599
make money when they

1320
00:52:41,349 --> 00:52:39,599
want to do shows like this and you don't

1321
00:52:44,390 --> 00:52:41,359
get paid to do

1322
00:52:46,549 --> 00:52:44,400
these kind of shows and when

1323
00:52:48,390 --> 00:52:46,559
they can't make money off of doing these

1324
00:52:49,829 --> 00:52:48,400
kind of shows then they won't do these

1325
00:52:52,470 --> 00:52:49,839
shows

1326
00:52:54,150 --> 00:52:52,480
yeah it's not about making money this is

1327
00:52:55,589 --> 00:52:54,160
not about making money this is a

1328
00:52:58,870 --> 00:52:55,599
historical event

1329
00:53:01,910 --> 00:52:58,880
that's what it is for me it's therapy

1330
00:53:03,510 --> 00:53:01,920
being able to finally uh be able to

1331
00:53:05,349 --> 00:53:03,520
talk about something that happened to

1332
00:53:08,870 --> 00:53:05,359
you when you were told to shut up about

1333
00:53:10,870 --> 00:53:08,880
it your whole life and that you're crazy

1334
00:53:12,150 --> 00:53:10,880
yeah this has nothing to do with money

1335
00:53:15,510 --> 00:53:12,160
for me

1336
00:53:17,270 --> 00:53:15,520
right right and well i'm glad that you

1337
00:53:18,309 --> 00:53:17,280
have a supporting husband it sounds like

1338
00:53:22,549 --> 00:53:18,319
it

1339
00:53:25,910 --> 00:53:22,559
ever would come up at the dinner table

1340
00:53:29,030 --> 00:53:25,920
just quiet conversations i imagine

1341
00:53:30,549 --> 00:53:29,040
no no i mean i can talk to my children

1342
00:53:32,950 --> 00:53:30,559
about it obviously

1343
00:53:34,950 --> 00:53:32,960
i can talk to my grandchildren about it

1344
00:53:36,710 --> 00:53:34,960
i can talk to my sister and my best

1345
00:53:40,069 --> 00:53:36,720
friends about it

1346
00:53:41,990 --> 00:53:40,079
but i don't i don't go to a dinner party

1347
00:53:45,109 --> 00:53:42,000
and say oh by the way

1348
00:53:45,829 --> 00:53:45,119
yeah i i i something horrible happened

1349
00:53:47,430 --> 00:53:45,839
to me and

1350
00:53:50,870 --> 00:53:47,440
we're not quite sure if it was the

1351
00:53:53,910 --> 00:53:50,880
government if it was ufos or what it was

1352
00:53:57,349 --> 00:53:53,920
it's not something that we bring up

1353
00:53:59,910 --> 00:53:57,359
and what about um how how

1354
00:54:01,430 --> 00:53:59,920
did the grandchildren and children what

1355
00:54:03,670 --> 00:54:01,440
did they think about

1356
00:54:04,790 --> 00:54:03,680
watching you on netflix i mean that that

1357
00:54:08,309 --> 00:54:04,800
must have been quite a

1358
00:54:15,589 --> 00:54:12,390
they uh they don't really talk about it

1359
00:54:17,990 --> 00:54:15,599
it's not a big deal to them really i

1360
00:54:19,990 --> 00:54:18,000
i only watch netflix one time to be

1361
00:54:20,870 --> 00:54:20,000
honest with you so i've watched it four

1362
00:54:23,109 --> 00:54:20,880
more times

1363
00:54:24,470 --> 00:54:23,119
yeah you watched it more than me it's

1364
00:54:27,030 --> 00:54:24,480
not a big deal

1365
00:54:27,910 --> 00:54:27,040
to us really well it's my background

1366
00:54:30,230 --> 00:54:27,920
research

1367
00:54:30,950 --> 00:54:30,240
yeah but i i did think they did a great

1368
00:54:33,910 --> 00:54:30,960
job with it

1369
00:54:35,589 --> 00:54:33,920
they're gonna be gone they do yeah i

1370
00:54:38,069 --> 00:54:35,599
mean everything about it's it's just

1371
00:54:40,069 --> 00:54:38,079
high quality if anyone gets a chance to

1372
00:54:42,150 --> 00:54:40,079
watch it i think um if you don't have

1373
00:54:43,750 --> 00:54:42,160
netflix maybe there is another way

1374
00:54:45,270 --> 00:54:43,760
not everybody has netflix but maybe

1375
00:54:46,309 --> 00:54:45,280
there is another way or maybe it will be

1376
00:54:48,870 --> 00:54:46,319
out there

1377
00:54:50,309 --> 00:54:48,880
soon so they did a fabulous job and they

1378
00:54:52,630 --> 00:54:50,319
were very sweet people

1379
00:54:53,589 --> 00:54:52,640
very very lovely people i enjoyed

1380
00:54:56,789 --> 00:54:53,599
working with them

1381
00:54:57,349 --> 00:54:56,799
for sure yeah i mean my kids are happy

1382
00:55:00,150 --> 00:54:57,359
that

1383
00:55:00,630 --> 00:55:00,160
i'm finally able to speak my truth

1384
00:55:02,710 --> 00:55:00,640
because

1385
00:55:05,030 --> 00:55:02,720
they felt horrible for me what i went

1386
00:55:06,630 --> 00:55:05,040
through that's what they're happy about

1387
00:55:08,789 --> 00:55:06,640
that's the main thing

1388
00:55:10,549 --> 00:55:08,799
that's great that's great so we are

1389
00:55:12,230 --> 00:55:10,559
ready to go into the break

1390
00:55:14,069 --> 00:55:12,240
for those of you on youtube you're going

1391
00:55:16,549 --> 00:55:14,079
to be seeing a clip

1392
00:55:18,230 --> 00:55:16,559
um that's going to play and for those of

1393
00:55:20,789 --> 00:55:18,240
you over at kgr

1394
00:55:23,190 --> 00:55:20,799
a radio we'll be right back right after

1395
00:55:24,789 --> 00:55:23,200
the messages

1396
00:55:26,870 --> 00:55:24,799
the united states air force in

1397
00:55:29,190 --> 00:55:26,880
discharging its responsibility for the

1398
00:55:31,510 --> 00:55:29,200
aerospace defense of the nation

1399
00:55:34,069 --> 00:55:31,520
is called upon to investigate reports of

1400
00:55:35,910 --> 00:55:34,079
unidentified flying objects

1401
00:55:38,150 --> 00:55:35,920
two air force officers have over the

1402
00:55:39,510 --> 00:55:38,160
years been very closely associated with

1403
00:55:41,910 --> 00:55:39,520
this activity

1404
00:55:42,789 --> 00:55:41,920
lieutenant colonel lawrence tacker was

1405
00:55:44,870 --> 00:55:42,799
formerly the

1406
00:55:45,990 --> 00:55:44,880
chief spokesman for the air force on the

1407
00:55:48,789 --> 00:55:46,000
matter

1408
00:55:50,950 --> 00:55:48,799
and major hector clintonella is now the

1409
00:55:52,309 --> 00:55:50,960
chief of project rupert

1410
00:55:54,870 --> 00:55:52,319
major quintanilla what are the

1411
00:55:56,549 --> 00:55:54,880
objectives of project music

1412
00:55:58,710 --> 00:55:56,559
the objectives of the program are

1413
00:56:01,430 --> 00:55:58,720
twofold they're the same as they have

1414
00:56:04,230 --> 00:56:01,440
been since 1953 when the

1415
00:56:05,990 --> 00:56:04,240
is different first of all to try to

1416
00:56:07,670 --> 00:56:06,000
determine if the euphoric phenomena

1417
00:56:09,510 --> 00:56:07,680
prevents the threat to the security of

1418
00:56:11,510 --> 00:56:09,520
the united states

1419
00:56:13,109 --> 00:56:11,520
in seconds to determine if the useful

1420
00:56:17,510 --> 00:56:13,119
phenomena exhibits

1421
00:56:20,950 --> 00:56:17,520
any technological advantages

1422
00:56:23,109 --> 00:56:20,960
what's the record so far today we have

1423
00:56:25,030 --> 00:56:23,119
over ten thousand cases of flight

1424
00:56:28,870 --> 00:56:25,040
patterson air conditioning

1425
00:56:31,510 --> 00:56:28,880
of which 646 of these are humans benefit

1426
00:56:33,589 --> 00:56:31,520
that's not to say that uh we could not

1427
00:56:35,510 --> 00:56:33,599
have identified more cases if we had

1428
00:56:37,670 --> 00:56:35,520
gotten into the objective quickly

1429
00:56:39,670 --> 00:56:37,680
and checked the localization the air

1430
00:56:40,069 --> 00:56:39,680
force has been accused from time to time

1431
00:56:42,390 --> 00:56:40,079
of

1432
00:56:44,069 --> 00:56:42,400
hiding information about ufo what do you

1433
00:56:46,870 --> 00:56:44,079
have to say directly

1434
00:56:48,630 --> 00:56:46,880
these charges are absolutely untrue

1435
00:56:50,150 --> 00:56:48,640
actually the united states air force

1436
00:56:52,230 --> 00:56:50,160
releases statistics

1437
00:56:53,910 --> 00:56:52,240
on the ufo phenomena through the

1438
00:56:56,230 --> 00:56:53,920
department of defense press desk

1439
00:56:57,349 --> 00:56:56,240
periodically and we've always honored

1440
00:56:59,910 --> 00:56:57,359
accredited media

1441
00:57:01,190 --> 00:56:59,920
when they want to investigate a given

1442
00:57:02,870 --> 00:57:01,200
specific sighting

1443
00:57:04,870 --> 00:57:02,880
there's nothing to have there's nothing

1444
00:57:05,750 --> 00:57:04,880
to hide at all is there anything in the

1445
00:57:07,670 --> 00:57:05,760
files

1446
00:57:09,789 --> 00:57:07,680
either classified or unclassified that

1447
00:57:12,390 --> 00:57:09,799
would indicate that there may be

1448
00:57:13,589 --> 00:57:12,400
extraterrestrial visitors over visitors

1449
00:57:16,710 --> 00:57:13,599
first of all the

1450
00:57:18,309 --> 00:57:16,720
project is completely unplanned

1451
00:57:19,829 --> 00:57:18,319
and there's nothing in the records that

1452
00:57:21,190 --> 00:57:19,839
could indicate that you have been

1453
00:57:24,150 --> 00:57:21,200
visited by any of that

1454
00:57:25,670 --> 00:57:24,160
civilization how does the air force look

1455
00:57:27,990 --> 00:57:25,680
upon people who

1456
00:57:29,829 --> 00:57:28,000
make the reports of the ufo do they look

1457
00:57:31,829 --> 00:57:29,839
on them as qualified attorneys

1458
00:57:34,069 --> 00:57:31,839
yes they do look on them as qualified

1459
00:57:34,950 --> 00:57:34,079
observers actually most people who

1460
00:57:38,549 --> 00:57:34,960
report

1461
00:57:40,630 --> 00:57:38,559
a ufo sighting are patriotic citizens

1462
00:57:42,069 --> 00:57:40,640
who have been mystified by something

1463
00:57:45,190 --> 00:57:42,079
that they've seen

1464
00:57:47,030 --> 00:57:45,200
and through a patriotic sense report it

1465
00:57:49,750 --> 00:57:47,040
to the local law enforcement

1466
00:57:50,630 --> 00:57:49,760
officials or to the united states air

1467
00:57:53,589 --> 00:57:50,640
force base

1468
00:57:54,069 --> 00:57:53,599
near them what would you consider as a

1469
00:57:57,030 --> 00:57:54,079
person

1470
00:57:59,430 --> 00:57:57,040
qualified to interpret what they see i

1471
00:58:02,789 --> 00:57:59,440
consider astronomers

1472
00:58:06,069 --> 00:58:02,799
a genuinely expert in their tools

1473
00:58:09,190 --> 00:58:06,079
go all right welcome back and uh

1474
00:58:10,870 --> 00:58:09,200
my guest tonight i'm happily talking to

1475
00:58:13,109 --> 00:58:10,880
melanie kirkstorfer

1476
00:58:14,950 --> 00:58:13,119
um i did want to talk about uh before i

1477
00:58:17,190 --> 00:58:14,960
bring her right back in

1478
00:58:17,990 --> 00:58:17,200
did want to quick uh quickly mention

1479
00:58:19,670 --> 00:58:18,000
this

1480
00:58:21,990 --> 00:58:19,680
picture if you're on youtube you can see

1481
00:58:23,430 --> 00:58:22,000
it a number of people have sent me this

1482
00:58:26,630 --> 00:58:23,440
picture said because it's in

1483
00:58:29,109 --> 00:58:26,640
the news um out on the west coast that

1484
00:58:30,630 --> 00:58:29,119
someone filmed a mothership but i did

1485
00:58:32,630 --> 00:58:30,640
want to point out to those again on

1486
00:58:35,670 --> 00:58:32,640
youtube you can see clearly

1487
00:58:36,309 --> 00:58:35,680
that uh right above the light the street

1488
00:58:39,510 --> 00:58:36,319
light

1489
00:58:42,950 --> 00:58:39,520
is where this anomaly is

1490
00:58:43,750 --> 00:58:42,960
and it it's just a what it's what can

1491
00:58:45,030 --> 00:58:43,760
happen

1492
00:58:46,950 --> 00:58:45,040
if you take a picture and there's a

1493
00:58:49,349 --> 00:58:46,960
bright light in the frame

1494
00:58:51,030 --> 00:58:49,359
is that reflection like that and there's

1495
00:58:53,190 --> 00:58:51,040
another picture

1496
00:58:54,789 --> 00:58:53,200
that uh you know it doesn't show the

1497
00:58:55,349 --> 00:58:54,799
light in the frame because it's cropped

1498
00:58:58,390 --> 00:58:55,359
out

1499
00:59:01,270 --> 00:58:58,400
so uh that's i'm not at

1500
00:59:02,870 --> 00:59:01,280
photo analysis at all i have to i have

1501
00:59:05,910 --> 00:59:02,880
to make that clear

1502
00:59:08,309 --> 00:59:05,920
but that's my opinion on this it's just

1503
00:59:09,510 --> 00:59:08,319
something caught in the camera because

1504
00:59:12,150 --> 00:59:09,520
of the light reflection

1505
00:59:13,670 --> 00:59:12,160
in the lens and i hope i don't get too

1506
00:59:16,870 --> 00:59:13,680
much hate mail from that one

1507
00:59:17,990 --> 00:59:16,880
but anyway i'm welcoming back melanie

1508
00:59:20,630 --> 00:59:18,000
how are you melanie

1509
00:59:21,750 --> 00:59:20,640
i'm fine thank you martin good so far

1510
00:59:25,030 --> 00:59:21,760
you good so far

1511
00:59:26,789 --> 00:59:25,040
i'm fine thank you yeah yeah um

1512
00:59:29,270 --> 00:59:26,799
so i think we're going to be taking

1513
00:59:31,910 --> 00:59:29,280
calls in the another half hour so

1514
00:59:33,589 --> 00:59:31,920
and so just uh if you call in bill will

1515
00:59:35,030 --> 00:59:33,599
screen you be respectful

1516
00:59:37,349 --> 00:59:35,040
and like you always are i have some

1517
00:59:40,630 --> 00:59:37,359
great callers so there's really no

1518
00:59:43,349 --> 00:59:40,640
need for me to even say that but uh um

1519
00:59:44,309 --> 00:59:43,359
so we were talking uh before the break

1520
00:59:45,829 --> 00:59:44,319
about all different

1521
00:59:47,430 --> 00:59:45,839
kinds of things but i'm going to also

1522
00:59:48,950 --> 00:59:47,440
look in the chat too because i did see

1523
00:59:54,789 --> 00:59:48,960
that a lot of people were

1524
00:59:58,470 --> 00:59:56,069
someone wanted to know more about the

1525
01:00:01,109 --> 00:59:58,480
hands but

1526
01:00:02,630 --> 01:00:01,119
i want to go back also to when you're

1527
01:00:06,470 --> 01:00:02,640
wherever you were

1528
01:00:08,789 --> 01:00:06,480
on september 1st 1969

1529
01:00:10,789 --> 01:00:08,799
i know you said you didn't see any type

1530
01:00:13,030 --> 01:00:10,799
of beings but did you have a feeling

1531
01:00:16,150 --> 01:00:13,040
that there was some type of

1532
01:00:19,190 --> 01:00:16,160
presence or did you feel

1533
01:00:20,150 --> 01:00:19,200
any like uh now i know this sounds

1534
01:00:22,150 --> 01:00:20,160
probably sounds

1535
01:00:23,190 --> 01:00:22,160
odd but a lot of people talk about it

1536
01:00:26,950 --> 01:00:23,200
did you hear

1537
01:00:28,630 --> 01:00:26,960
anything in your head it's

1538
01:00:31,109 --> 01:00:28,640
you can like i said you can hear that

1539
01:00:31,910 --> 01:00:31,119
clicking that clicking sound that sounds

1540
01:00:35,910 --> 01:00:31,920
like you're in an

1541
01:00:38,069 --> 01:00:35,920
mri machine it's

1542
01:00:39,750 --> 01:00:38,079
it's almost as if you are in one of

1543
01:00:42,870 --> 01:00:39,760
those machines but you're not

1544
01:00:44,069 --> 01:00:42,880
because you're lying on a table and you

1545
01:00:47,349 --> 01:00:44,079
can't move

1546
01:00:50,630 --> 01:00:47,359
it's just your eyes and i remember the

1547
01:00:52,309 --> 01:00:50,640
it was as if that it was like almost

1548
01:00:56,549 --> 01:00:52,319
like it was spinning

1549
01:00:59,910 --> 01:00:56,559
the red glow around that metallic

1550
01:01:02,230 --> 01:00:59,920
space and then i didn't see anybody in

1551
01:01:05,190 --> 01:01:02,240
the room

1552
01:01:06,230 --> 01:01:05,200
but did you have did you have any pardon

1553
01:01:08,710 --> 01:01:06,240
me i'm sorry

1554
01:01:10,069 --> 01:01:08,720
just that clicking sound in my head it

1555
01:01:13,030 --> 01:01:10,079
was like in my head

1556
01:01:14,549 --> 01:01:13,040
it wasn't in the atmosphere it was in my

1557
01:01:17,430 --> 01:01:14,559
head that it was

1558
01:01:20,309 --> 01:01:17,440
that you could hear it a lot of people

1559
01:01:24,069 --> 01:01:20,319
that have had these type of experiences

1560
01:01:27,670 --> 01:01:24,079
had they seemed to hear something

1561
01:01:30,069 --> 01:01:27,680
um kind of in their mind like

1562
01:01:31,349 --> 01:01:30,079
it's okay calm down or anything like

1563
01:01:42,069 --> 01:01:31,359
that

1564
01:01:45,829 --> 01:01:42,079
noise all the time a lot and it's

1565
01:01:47,910 --> 01:01:45,839
usually in the evening i have that

1566
01:01:51,030 --> 01:01:47,920
it happens and i've even gone to have

1567
01:01:53,349 --> 01:01:51,040
mris for it

1568
01:01:54,630 --> 01:01:53,359
wow um now i'm going to see if i can

1569
01:01:56,390 --> 01:01:54,640
actually load this

1570
01:01:58,470 --> 01:01:56,400
is it okay if i share the little video

1571
01:02:01,750 --> 01:01:58,480
you sent me the other day with the lamp

1572
01:02:04,789 --> 01:02:01,760
that's fine it happens all the time too

1573
01:02:05,990 --> 01:02:04,799
i do want to talk about that um no it

1574
01:02:07,109 --> 01:02:06,000
doesn't look like it's going to let me

1575
01:02:10,710 --> 01:02:07,119
load it i'm sorry

1576
01:02:11,029 --> 01:02:10,720
but um let's talk about what happens to

1577
01:02:13,910 --> 01:02:11,039
you at

1578
01:02:14,870 --> 01:02:13,920
airports and and uh when we were talking

1579
01:02:16,950 --> 01:02:14,880
the other day all of a sudden your

1580
01:02:19,109 --> 01:02:16,960
computer went poof

1581
01:02:21,109 --> 01:02:19,119
luckily tonight it's been i think we've

1582
01:02:22,789 --> 01:02:21,119
been lucky but we're not in a full moon

1583
01:02:25,109 --> 01:02:22,799
it usually happens between

1584
01:02:26,710 --> 01:02:25,119
a new moon and a full moon and a couple

1585
01:02:30,230 --> 01:02:26,720
days after

1586
01:02:31,750 --> 01:02:30,240
the full moon i have an electrical

1587
01:02:34,789 --> 01:02:31,760
problem but i have been struck by

1588
01:02:37,430 --> 01:02:34,799
lightning three times

1589
01:02:39,270 --> 01:02:37,440
one time i was out for three hours i

1590
01:02:42,710 --> 01:02:39,280
used to be the american intercultural

1591
01:02:45,829 --> 01:02:42,720
student exchange person for this area

1592
01:02:47,029 --> 01:02:45,839
and i went downstairs with two of my

1593
01:02:50,390 --> 01:02:47,039
dogs

1594
01:02:54,789 --> 01:02:50,400
to clean the cat box and

1595
01:02:58,230 --> 01:02:54,799
i was downstairs and all of a sudden

1596
01:03:00,950 --> 01:02:58,240
everything went black and

1597
01:03:02,230 --> 01:03:00,960
the next thing i remember my exchange

1598
01:03:05,270 --> 01:03:02,240
student my dutch son

1599
01:03:08,630 --> 01:03:05,280
i call my dutch son joey and

1600
01:03:09,270 --> 01:03:08,640
henry i hear she's down here she's down

1601
01:03:13,029 --> 01:03:09,280
here so

1602
01:03:15,829 --> 01:03:13,039
i went down there around noon 12 noon

1603
01:03:17,750 --> 01:03:15,839
and this was my husband was home from

1604
01:03:20,710 --> 01:03:17,760
work with joey so it had to have been 3

1605
01:03:21,589 --> 01:03:20,720
30. so i was out for easily three and a

1606
01:03:25,109 --> 01:03:21,599
half hours

1607
01:03:28,230 --> 01:03:25,119
that's how long everything

1608
01:03:31,670 --> 01:03:28,240
blew up in the house the dog fence line

1609
01:03:32,069 --> 01:03:31,680
the tvs the microwave oven everything

1610
01:03:34,390 --> 01:03:32,079
blew

1611
01:03:36,150 --> 01:03:34,400
up so your house was hit by strike a

1612
01:03:38,309 --> 01:03:36,160
struck by lightning definitely and the

1613
01:03:41,109 --> 01:03:38,319
two dogs were passed out

1614
01:03:43,349 --> 01:03:41,119
one of my dogs actually passed away six

1615
01:03:45,190 --> 01:03:43,359
months later and i'm sure it's from the

1616
01:03:46,870 --> 01:03:45,200
because she was way too young she was

1617
01:03:51,029 --> 01:03:46,880
only like four years old

1618
01:03:54,150 --> 01:03:51,039
oh my god wow yeah i was sad but um

1619
01:03:56,390 --> 01:03:54,160
that was a bad strike uh we lost

1620
01:03:58,069 --> 01:03:56,400
almost all of our electrical stuff in

1621
01:03:59,589 --> 01:03:58,079
the house that time

1622
01:04:01,270 --> 01:03:59,599
and then the other time was a ball

1623
01:04:03,670 --> 01:04:01,280
lightning went through the window

1624
01:04:05,270 --> 01:04:03,680
and hit me we have a finished apartment

1625
01:04:07,670 --> 01:04:05,280
down in the basement

1626
01:04:09,190 --> 01:04:07,680
and it hit me in the hand my son watched

1627
01:04:10,710 --> 01:04:09,200
that one go through the window he said

1628
01:04:11,430 --> 01:04:10,720
did you just see that ball of lightning

1629
01:04:14,950 --> 01:04:11,440
i said see

1630
01:04:16,710 --> 01:04:14,960
i just got hit in the hand but

1631
01:04:18,309 --> 01:04:16,720
and then another time i was on the phone

1632
01:04:21,349 --> 01:04:18,319
talking to my sister

1633
01:04:23,829 --> 01:04:21,359
and uh it hit my hand

1634
01:04:25,430 --> 01:04:23,839
talking on the phone and it it turned

1635
01:04:28,630 --> 01:04:25,440
the phone off

1636
01:04:31,670 --> 01:04:28,640
and didn't um she had to call me back

1637
01:04:34,309 --> 01:04:31,680
because it didn't ruin the phone

1638
01:04:35,349 --> 01:04:34,319
but it disconnected us and she was just

1639
01:04:39,510 --> 01:04:35,359
a landline

1640
01:04:40,309 --> 01:04:39,520
goes what just happened we got

1641
01:04:41,589 --> 01:04:40,319
disconnected

1642
01:04:43,670 --> 01:04:41,599
and i said i just got struck by

1643
01:04:46,309 --> 01:04:43,680
lightning again

1644
01:04:47,109 --> 01:04:46,319
and she said oh my god you keep getting

1645
01:04:49,510 --> 01:04:47,119
struck

1646
01:04:52,950 --> 01:04:49,520
and i said i know it's really bizarre

1647
01:04:59,750 --> 01:04:56,470
no we don't actually but um

1648
01:05:01,829 --> 01:04:59,760
when i go through the airport it doesn't

1649
01:05:03,190 --> 01:05:01,839
matter even if we call in ahead of time

1650
01:05:05,270 --> 01:05:03,200
so they can screen me

1651
01:05:06,950 --> 01:05:05,280
because i don't have i never did

1652
01:05:09,349 --> 01:05:06,960
anything i don't even have a parking

1653
01:05:12,150 --> 01:05:09,359
ticket or anything

1654
01:05:14,150 --> 01:05:12,160
and so we'll call in ahead of time so

1655
01:05:15,829 --> 01:05:14,160
they can do a background check on me but

1656
01:05:18,470 --> 01:05:15,839
it never fails

1657
01:05:20,230 --> 01:05:18,480
when i go through customs i get this x

1658
01:05:21,670 --> 01:05:20,240
on my passport

1659
01:05:23,349 --> 01:05:21,680
and i gotta go through a double

1660
01:05:26,309 --> 01:05:23,359
screening check

1661
01:05:27,190 --> 01:05:26,319
my husband always shakes his head and

1662
01:05:30,870 --> 01:05:27,200
they got to go through

1663
01:05:32,710 --> 01:05:30,880
all my bags and check everything

1664
01:05:34,870 --> 01:05:32,720
and he's got to sit there and wait for

1665
01:05:35,670 --> 01:05:34,880
me because we've done the check the

1666
01:05:38,710 --> 01:05:35,680
thorough check

1667
01:05:41,349 --> 01:05:38,720
so that we can get through customs okay

1668
01:05:42,710 --> 01:05:41,359
and we just have to sit there and wait

1669
01:05:44,390 --> 01:05:42,720
while they go through everything

1670
01:05:46,870 --> 01:05:44,400
to make what do you think causes that

1671
01:05:49,190 --> 01:05:46,880
huh i have no idea but i set the alarm

1672
01:05:51,829 --> 01:05:49,200
off the last time they kept going here

1673
01:05:53,990 --> 01:05:51,839
on my chest to see what it was and i

1674
01:05:55,670 --> 01:05:54,000
said there's nothing there i said

1675
01:05:57,670 --> 01:05:55,680
could it be my under do i have an

1676
01:05:59,349 --> 01:05:57,680
underwear i did have an underwear bra i

1677
01:06:02,150 --> 01:05:59,359
said is it my underwire

1678
01:06:02,789 --> 01:06:02,160
and they're like no it's not that it's

1679
01:06:05,190 --> 01:06:02,799
something

1680
01:06:06,230 --> 01:06:05,200
here they said and i never had open

1681
01:06:09,190 --> 01:06:06,240
heart surgery

1682
01:06:10,789 --> 01:06:09,200
i had no jewelry on but they said it was

1683
01:06:13,670 --> 01:06:10,799
right here

1684
01:06:14,470 --> 01:06:13,680
did it did it trigger putting the one

1685
01:06:20,069 --> 01:06:14,480
yeah

1686
01:06:23,190 --> 01:06:21,910
they could not figure it out and i said

1687
01:06:25,270 --> 01:06:23,200
to them well i've been struck by

1688
01:06:28,789 --> 01:06:25,280
lightning and every time i go

1689
01:06:33,109 --> 01:06:28,799
through like marshalls or

1690
01:06:35,910 --> 01:06:33,119
tj maxx any of those stores

1691
01:06:37,270 --> 01:06:35,920
now they know me at the local marshalls

1692
01:06:40,390 --> 01:06:37,280
and they'll say let her through

1693
01:06:43,270 --> 01:06:40,400
she's been struck by lightning

1694
01:06:45,270 --> 01:06:43,280
all my friend i mean my friend lilly she

1695
01:06:47,270 --> 01:06:45,280
goes oh here we go again or

1696
01:06:49,910 --> 01:06:47,280
my daughter-in-law she'll say to my

1697
01:06:52,710 --> 01:06:49,920
grandson oh nina my nickname is nina

1698
01:06:54,150 --> 01:06:52,720
they'll go oh nina's here she just

1699
01:06:55,670 --> 01:06:54,160
walked in the door because they'll hear

1700
01:06:58,710 --> 01:06:55,680
the beeper go off

1701
01:07:00,309 --> 01:06:58,720
if i'm supposed to meet them yeah

1702
01:07:01,750 --> 01:07:00,319
and then your friends wear rubber boots

1703
01:07:05,190 --> 01:07:01,760
around you

1704
01:07:07,430 --> 01:07:05,200
yeah well one time before

1705
01:07:10,470 --> 01:07:07,440
this all happened we were in mexico i

1706
01:07:12,630 --> 01:07:10,480
was with down in mexico with my mom

1707
01:07:13,829 --> 01:07:12,640
and i can feel it when it's going to

1708
01:07:17,109 --> 01:07:13,839
happen i can feel the

1709
01:07:19,990 --> 01:07:17,119
energy it it's almost like this stress

1710
01:07:23,349 --> 01:07:20,000
thing that comes out and i said to my

1711
01:07:25,670 --> 01:07:23,359
mom i said see those lights there

1712
01:07:27,029 --> 01:07:25,680
they're going to pop i can tell i'm

1713
01:07:29,190 --> 01:07:27,039
going to pop them

1714
01:07:30,870 --> 01:07:29,200
because you're crazy you're nuts why do

1715
01:07:33,829 --> 01:07:30,880
you talk like that i said

1716
01:07:34,789 --> 01:07:33,839
watch they're gonna pop mom sure enough

1717
01:07:37,910 --> 01:07:34,799
there were like

1718
01:07:40,390 --> 01:07:37,920
five or six of them on the walkway

1719
01:07:41,430 --> 01:07:40,400
and my husband henry and my dad were

1720
01:07:43,510 --> 01:07:41,440
with me

1721
01:07:45,589 --> 01:07:43,520
boom boom boom boom all of them popped

1722
01:07:48,630 --> 01:07:45,599
and she goes she's weird she is just

1723
01:07:50,230 --> 01:07:48,640
crazy this girl and they did they all

1724
01:07:53,270 --> 01:07:50,240
popped

1725
01:07:55,029 --> 01:07:53,280
every single one of them so this is not

1726
01:07:57,750 --> 01:07:55,039
this is not a new thing this has been

1727
01:07:59,829 --> 01:07:57,760
going on for a while

1728
01:08:01,910 --> 01:07:59,839
that is so fascinating that you sent me

1729
01:08:04,150 --> 01:08:01,920
a video when the lamp is like flashing

1730
01:08:08,069 --> 01:08:04,160
on and off that was really bizarre

1731
01:08:09,990 --> 01:08:08,079
um i set car alarms off it's

1732
01:08:13,510 --> 01:08:10,000
embarrassing to be honest with

1733
01:08:14,150 --> 01:08:13,520
you it's very embarrassing someone had a

1734
01:08:17,430 --> 01:08:14,160
question here

1735
01:08:20,070 --> 01:08:17,440
i'm trying to find it and because um

1736
01:08:21,349 --> 01:08:20,080
and um you know maybe it's too personal

1737
01:08:23,430 --> 01:08:21,359
of a question

1738
01:08:26,390 --> 01:08:23,440
so i'll ask it this way do you happen to

1739
01:08:29,430 --> 01:08:26,400
have rh negative blood

1740
01:08:32,630 --> 01:08:29,440
i don't i have o positive blood okay

1741
01:08:34,470 --> 01:08:32,640
all right um there then the reason there

1742
01:08:36,309 --> 01:08:34,480
that question was asked by the way just

1743
01:08:37,590 --> 01:08:36,319
so you know that there's been a lot of

1744
01:08:40,870 --> 01:08:37,600
people that have

1745
01:08:41,749 --> 01:08:40,880
had some type of encounters of what

1746
01:08:44,309 --> 01:08:41,759
you're talking about

1747
01:08:45,749 --> 01:08:44,319
that happen to have that blood type and

1748
01:08:49,349 --> 01:08:45,759
i've said that before

1749
01:08:52,789 --> 01:08:49,359
also yeah yeah um

1750
01:08:56,229 --> 01:08:52,799
let's see so are are you

1751
01:08:58,070 --> 01:08:56,239
having this is a question up here also

1752
01:09:00,950 --> 01:08:58,080
that i thought was a pretty good one are

1753
01:09:04,149 --> 01:09:00,960
you having i believe you spoke about it

1754
01:09:04,709 --> 01:09:04,159
your one levitating um dream that you

1755
01:09:07,829 --> 01:09:04,719
have but

1756
01:09:11,269 --> 01:09:07,839
have you had reoccurring dreams um

1757
01:09:14,550 --> 01:09:11,279
about this or similar situations

1758
01:09:16,870 --> 01:09:14,560
it's mostly that one astral dream where

1759
01:09:17,590 --> 01:09:16,880
i'm going down the river that's the main

1760
01:09:25,510 --> 01:09:17,600
one

1761
01:09:28,149 --> 01:09:25,520
for a long long time but no other

1762
01:09:29,030 --> 01:09:28,159
no other dreams that the one on satanic

1763
01:09:32,470 --> 01:09:29,040
river i have

1764
01:09:33,110 --> 01:09:32,480
all the time i don't know if you're

1765
01:09:35,430 --> 01:09:33,120
aware

1766
01:09:37,749 --> 01:09:35,440
i don't know if i ever told you martin

1767
01:09:41,110 --> 01:09:37,759
that i think that there's also

1768
01:09:44,070 --> 01:09:41,120
be besides this whole government

1769
01:09:45,510 --> 01:09:44,080
situation that people talk about for

1770
01:09:47,510 --> 01:09:45,520
myself for years

1771
01:09:48,550 --> 01:09:47,520
i started researching i think that

1772
01:09:51,590 --> 01:09:48,560
there's another

1773
01:09:52,070 --> 01:09:51,600
aspect behind it all i think because we

1774
01:09:54,870 --> 01:09:52,080
have

1775
01:09:56,070 --> 01:09:54,880
a lot of the indigenous peoples that

1776
01:09:57,830 --> 01:09:56,080
were around here

1777
01:09:59,189 --> 01:09:57,840
i think that there could be an element

1778
01:10:02,310 --> 01:09:59,199
of that also

1779
01:10:04,070 --> 01:10:02,320
involved in this that people don't even

1780
01:10:06,470 --> 01:10:04,080
look towards

1781
01:10:07,750 --> 01:10:06,480
i've done a lot of traveling in my life

1782
01:10:11,830 --> 01:10:07,760
and i've spent time

1783
01:10:15,430 --> 01:10:11,840
in the ruins and um in the mayan ruins

1784
01:10:17,830 --> 01:10:15,440
in belize and in mexico and if

1785
01:10:19,270 --> 01:10:17,840
you yourself know anything about the

1786
01:10:21,590 --> 01:10:19,280
ruins

1787
01:10:22,310 --> 01:10:21,600
the indigenous people were really in

1788
01:10:25,350 --> 01:10:22,320
tune

1789
01:10:28,390 --> 01:10:25,360
to ufo phenomena and

1790
01:10:31,510 --> 01:10:28,400
king phillips war took place around here

1791
01:10:32,070 --> 01:10:31,520
and when be when i years and years ago

1792
01:10:35,669 --> 01:10:32,080
when i

1793
01:10:37,669 --> 01:10:35,679
first wanted to look into this because i

1794
01:10:38,229 --> 01:10:37,679
knew that this had happened to me before

1795
01:10:40,149 --> 01:10:38,239
my mom

1796
01:10:41,669 --> 01:10:40,159
even started telling me that this really

1797
01:10:43,590 --> 01:10:41,679
did happen to me

1798
01:10:45,510 --> 01:10:43,600
i started researching because the

1799
01:10:47,110 --> 01:10:45,520
indigenous people had what was called

1800
01:10:48,870 --> 01:10:47,120
the little people

1801
01:10:50,870 --> 01:10:48,880
and i thought maybe that's what i had

1802
01:10:51,990 --> 01:10:50,880
been seeing as a child that it was a

1803
01:10:54,149 --> 01:10:52,000
ghost

1804
01:10:55,830 --> 01:10:54,159
and it was one of the little people i

1805
01:10:58,149 --> 01:10:55,840
even went all the way out to south

1806
01:11:00,550 --> 01:10:58,159
dakota to look into all of this and i

1807
01:11:03,430 --> 01:11:00,560
started looking into king phillips war

1808
01:11:05,189 --> 01:11:03,440
and all of that and one of the things

1809
01:11:07,430 --> 01:11:05,199
that i would really like to do

1810
01:11:09,350 --> 01:11:07,440
because i know that the muncie tribe is

1811
01:11:11,750 --> 01:11:09,360
coming back here they just

1812
01:11:14,390 --> 01:11:11,760
have a place now in williamstown i'd

1813
01:11:17,590 --> 01:11:14,400
like to find out more about

1814
01:11:18,070 --> 01:11:17,600
see if they have any records of if they

1815
01:11:20,709 --> 01:11:18,080
saw

1816
01:11:22,709 --> 01:11:20,719
any thing or have any records of

1817
01:11:23,910 --> 01:11:22,719
phenomena that took place while they

1818
01:11:26,950 --> 01:11:23,920
were here

1819
01:11:29,110 --> 01:11:26,960
because a friend of mine she has

1820
01:11:30,630 --> 01:11:29,120
the the field where tom had his

1821
01:11:32,950 --> 01:11:30,640
experience

1822
01:11:34,630 --> 01:11:32,960
a lot of arrowheads have been found in

1823
01:11:36,950 --> 01:11:34,640
that field

1824
01:11:37,910 --> 01:11:36,960
are you talking about tom warner or tom

1825
01:11:41,910 --> 01:11:37,920
reed

1826
01:11:45,430 --> 01:11:41,920
used to own the farm

1827
01:11:48,149 --> 01:11:45,440
that's in that area she's no longer

1828
01:11:49,110 --> 01:11:48,159
right she's no longer with us anymore

1829
01:11:52,790 --> 01:11:49,120
but when she

1830
01:11:55,669 --> 01:11:52,800
owned that the area around there

1831
01:11:58,229 --> 01:11:55,679
they used to find trunks of arrowheads

1832
01:12:01,669 --> 01:11:58,239
and they were asked not to remove them

1833
01:12:03,110 --> 01:12:01,679
by the tribe at one point it wasn't her

1834
01:12:04,310 --> 01:12:03,120
but it was some other people that were

1835
01:12:05,750 --> 01:12:04,320
removing them

1836
01:12:08,390 --> 01:12:05,760
they were asked not to remove them

1837
01:12:12,790 --> 01:12:08,400
anymore but that whole area

1838
01:12:16,070 --> 01:12:12,800
is full of indigenous artifacts

1839
01:12:18,149 --> 01:12:16,080
so it's there's a whole vortex right

1840
01:12:21,669 --> 01:12:18,159
along that whole river

1841
01:12:25,189 --> 01:12:21,679
i mean the great wigwam

1842
01:12:28,550 --> 01:12:25,199
was where the uh congo church is

1843
01:12:32,149 --> 01:12:28,560
today so everything took place

1844
01:12:36,070 --> 01:12:33,830
yeah all the settlements were along

1845
01:12:39,990 --> 01:12:36,080
rivers you know

1846
01:12:42,229 --> 01:12:40,000
it's a sacred spot i'm wondering

1847
01:12:43,830 --> 01:12:42,239
yeah if that might be might be part of

1848
01:12:45,910 --> 01:12:43,840
it the uh

1849
01:12:47,350 --> 01:12:45,920
now when you say the indigenous people

1850
01:12:50,790 --> 01:12:47,360
are there actually

1851
01:12:52,550 --> 01:12:50,800
people there today they're just starting

1852
01:12:54,630 --> 01:12:52,560
to come back

1853
01:12:55,830 --> 01:12:54,640
i didn't realize that there were so many

1854
01:12:59,270 --> 01:12:55,840
people until i

1855
01:13:02,870 --> 01:12:59,280
started meeting i i met a friend of mine

1856
01:13:05,669 --> 01:13:02,880
who is first nations

1857
01:13:06,470 --> 01:13:05,679
and he started introducing me by going

1858
01:13:09,350 --> 01:13:06,480
to powwow

1859
01:13:11,110 --> 01:13:09,360
how many that there are around here but

1860
01:13:15,590 --> 01:13:11,120
i had no idea

1861
01:13:18,310 --> 01:13:15,600
and um i have just been reading recently

1862
01:13:19,030 --> 01:13:18,320
that the muncie mohican tribe they're

1863
01:13:21,110 --> 01:13:19,040
coming back

1864
01:13:23,590 --> 01:13:21,120
and they have an office that they opened

1865
01:13:26,950 --> 01:13:23,600
in williamstown

1866
01:13:28,709 --> 01:13:26,960
but because none of us are really going

1867
01:13:31,030 --> 01:13:28,719
anywhere right now i haven't

1868
01:13:32,070 --> 01:13:31,040
been in contact with them but i really

1869
01:13:35,110 --> 01:13:32,080
would like to be

1870
01:13:35,830 --> 01:13:35,120
able to do some more research on it

1871
01:13:38,470 --> 01:13:35,840
because

1872
01:13:39,510 --> 01:13:38,480
i find it fascinating to be honest with

1873
01:13:42,709 --> 01:13:39,520
you

1874
01:13:46,070 --> 01:13:42,719
i love going into all the mayan ruins

1875
01:13:48,149 --> 01:13:46,080
in belize and in mexico and i think that

1876
01:13:52,149 --> 01:13:48,159
there's definitely a connection

1877
01:13:53,030 --> 01:13:52,159
there i think that that they have a lot

1878
01:13:54,630 --> 01:13:53,040
to tell us

1879
01:13:57,030 --> 01:13:54,640
and i think that we're destroying the

1880
01:13:59,590 --> 01:13:57,040
planet and

1881
01:14:00,310 --> 01:13:59,600
we need to be a little bit more open

1882
01:14:02,310 --> 01:14:00,320
about

1883
01:14:04,229 --> 01:14:02,320
what we're doing and maybe they're

1884
01:14:04,870 --> 01:14:04,239
really not trying to hurt us maybe

1885
01:14:07,350 --> 01:14:04,880
they're just

1886
01:14:10,550 --> 01:14:07,360
they were wondering what we were doing

1887
01:14:14,950 --> 01:14:13,110
looking at us as children and seeing if

1888
01:14:15,990 --> 01:14:14,960
we were being harmed by all the

1889
01:14:17,990 --> 01:14:16,000
pollution

1890
01:14:19,910 --> 01:14:18,000
in that river in the houstonic river

1891
01:14:21,750 --> 01:14:19,920
because it was so polluted from general

1892
01:14:24,790 --> 01:14:21,760
electric

1893
01:14:27,189 --> 01:14:24,800
yes i yeah you know

1894
01:14:29,830 --> 01:14:27,199
i know you're not the type of person to

1895
01:14:32,709 --> 01:14:29,840
like look into the ufo topic

1896
01:14:34,149 --> 01:14:32,719
you know as far as like like what i do

1897
01:14:35,990 --> 01:14:34,159
and looking into

1898
01:14:37,590 --> 01:14:36,000
different encounters or maybe you are

1899
01:14:41,270 --> 01:14:37,600
but um

1900
01:14:43,669 --> 01:14:41,280
one of the things that you often hear is

1901
01:14:44,390 --> 01:14:43,679
the message of what you're saying and

1902
01:14:48,390 --> 01:14:44,400
that is

1903
01:14:50,709 --> 01:14:48,400
um you know in one of the cases in um

1904
01:14:51,830 --> 01:14:50,719
in i'm just trying to think of the the

1905
01:14:55,510 --> 01:14:51,840
ariel school

1906
01:14:58,790 --> 01:14:55,520
and uh just forgetting the name of

1907
01:15:02,790 --> 01:14:58,800
the where it was located exactly

1908
01:15:04,310 --> 01:15:02,800
but um they received like

1909
01:15:06,550 --> 01:15:04,320
i want to say telepathic i don't know

1910
01:15:08,390 --> 01:15:06,560
what else to say but messages about the

1911
01:15:10,550 --> 01:15:08,400
planet taking care of

1912
01:15:11,590 --> 01:15:10,560
of the planet you know it needs to be

1913
01:15:15,189 --> 01:15:11,600
taken care of

1914
01:15:18,790 --> 01:15:15,199
um there's a lot of that a lot of that

1915
01:15:22,229 --> 01:15:18,800
that uh and you know who knows why

1916
01:15:22,709 --> 01:15:22,239
um or if any of that that's true but why

1917
01:15:25,030 --> 01:15:22,719
would all

1918
01:15:25,830 --> 01:15:25,040
for why would 65 kids make that up and

1919
01:15:29,270 --> 01:15:25,840
that's

1920
01:15:32,790 --> 01:15:29,280
a lot of them got that

1921
01:15:36,830 --> 01:15:32,800
message the planet needs to be cared for

1922
01:15:38,470 --> 01:15:36,840
i agree so i i believe there's a

1923
01:15:40,149 --> 01:15:38,480
connection

1924
01:15:41,910 --> 01:15:40,159
if we were being if we are being

1925
01:15:43,430 --> 01:15:41,920
observed by whatever we're being

1926
01:15:46,950 --> 01:15:43,440
observed by

1927
01:15:49,430 --> 01:15:46,960
we aren't doing a very good job you know

1928
01:15:51,270 --> 01:15:49,440
uh poisoning all of our rivers and our

1929
01:15:53,669 --> 01:15:51,280
water supply and you know it's

1930
01:15:54,950 --> 01:15:53,679
it's it's crazy and we have it's not

1931
01:15:57,189 --> 01:15:54,960
like we're

1932
01:15:58,470 --> 01:15:57,199
um ignorant we know we know what we're

1933
01:16:00,790 --> 01:15:58,480
doing it's uh

1934
01:16:02,310 --> 01:16:00,800
unfortunately you know i feel like i'm

1935
01:16:02,790 --> 01:16:02,320
getting on a stump here and i don't mean

1936
01:16:06,229 --> 01:16:02,800
to

1937
01:16:09,430 --> 01:16:06,239
and profits

1938
01:16:12,630 --> 01:16:09,440
and unfortunately yeah

1939
01:16:13,110 --> 01:16:12,640
so maybe some maybe we do we need that

1940
01:16:16,070 --> 01:16:13,120
lesson

1941
01:16:18,070 --> 01:16:16,080
driven into us i don't know but um i

1942
01:16:19,750 --> 01:16:18,080
think what i'd like to do if if it's

1943
01:16:21,510 --> 01:16:19,760
if you're all right with it and uh

1944
01:16:22,630 --> 01:16:21,520
bill's alright with it and everybody

1945
01:16:24,310 --> 01:16:22,640
else is all right with it

1946
01:16:26,310 --> 01:16:24,320
i think i'd like to open the phone lines

1947
01:16:29,590 --> 01:16:26,320
early that's all right

1948
01:16:32,950 --> 01:16:29,600
that's fine and i'll check with bill

1949
01:16:34,950 --> 01:16:32,960
um but uh if so that number

1950
01:16:37,189 --> 01:16:34,960
i think he'll be just fine as long as

1951
01:16:39,110 --> 01:16:37,199
he's not sleeping or something right now

1952
01:16:41,750 --> 01:16:39,120
but i'm going to pull up the number here

1953
01:16:46,550 --> 01:16:41,760
and uh so bill will answer the line and

1954
01:16:48,229 --> 01:16:46,560
that number is 855-472-5483

1955
01:16:50,070 --> 01:16:48,239
if you have a question for a guest i'll

1956
01:16:51,350 --> 01:16:50,080
again i'll look i'll look through the

1957
01:16:53,750 --> 01:16:51,360
chat as well

1958
01:16:56,070 --> 01:16:53,760
um so i know you've been asked since

1959
01:16:59,669 --> 01:16:58,149
has become you know the topic that a lot

1960
01:17:02,229 --> 01:16:59,679
of people are talking about

1961
01:17:02,950 --> 01:17:02,239
um you've been asked from all kinds of

1962
01:17:06,390 --> 01:17:02,960
places to

1963
01:17:07,189 --> 01:17:06,400
be on their shows um but is this the

1964
01:17:08,630 --> 01:17:07,199
first time

1965
01:17:11,350 --> 01:17:08,640
you've done a one-on-one interview or

1966
01:17:13,030 --> 01:17:11,360
have you done those before

1967
01:17:14,550 --> 01:17:13,040
no i've done several one-on-one

1968
01:17:19,990 --> 01:17:14,560
interviews before

1969
01:17:24,630 --> 01:17:23,110
no that that's good and uh because i i

1970
01:17:25,910 --> 01:17:24,640
know right away

1971
01:17:28,470 --> 01:17:25,920
that people were trying to reach out to

1972
01:17:31,910 --> 01:17:28,480
you i'm sure right away as soon as that

1973
01:17:34,950 --> 01:17:33,110
people were trying to figure out a way

1974
01:17:36,310 --> 01:17:34,960
to get in touch with you

1975
01:17:38,630 --> 01:17:36,320
they didn't know how to get in touch

1976
01:17:40,470 --> 01:17:38,640
with me um because

1977
01:17:42,630 --> 01:17:40,480
my facebook page was actually my

1978
01:17:44,550 --> 01:17:42,640
husband's facebook page

1979
01:17:45,830 --> 01:17:44,560
a lot of people are contacting me

1980
01:17:49,430 --> 01:17:45,840
through his

1981
01:17:52,709 --> 01:17:49,440
builder page he's a he has a

1982
01:17:53,430 --> 01:17:52,719
he's a contractor so he does restoration

1983
01:17:56,229 --> 01:17:53,440
work

1984
01:17:57,270 --> 01:17:56,239
for old homes so they were actually

1985
01:18:00,390 --> 01:17:57,280
going through his

1986
01:18:01,350 --> 01:18:00,400
uh restoration page and contacting you

1987
01:18:02,490 --> 01:18:01,360
that way

1988
01:18:04,790 --> 01:18:02,500
he was screaming

1989
01:18:07,830 --> 01:18:04,800
[Laughter]

1990
01:18:11,110 --> 01:18:07,840
wow yeah i don't doubt it at all

1991
01:18:13,510 --> 01:18:11,120
wow so i guess we can go back

1992
01:18:14,229 --> 01:18:13,520
if you're up for talking about it more

1993
01:18:16,390 --> 01:18:14,239
about your

1994
01:18:17,510 --> 01:18:16,400
your childhood experience we may have a

1995
01:18:19,830 --> 01:18:17,520
call let me just take a look

1996
01:18:20,709 --> 01:18:19,840
oh that bill is ready and standing by

1997
01:18:25,590 --> 01:18:20,719
again

1998
01:18:29,030 --> 01:18:25,600
um that number is 855-472-5483

1999
01:18:32,390 --> 01:18:29,040
so um growing up

2000
01:18:34,550 --> 01:18:32,400
you're having these experiences um

2001
01:18:36,310 --> 01:18:34,560
and do you remember anything you

2002
01:18:37,910 --> 01:18:36,320
remember the little

2003
01:18:40,070 --> 01:18:37,920
people whatever you want to call them

2004
01:18:42,790 --> 01:18:40,080
the little grays

2005
01:18:43,910 --> 01:18:42,800
uh did they was it one at a time did you

2006
01:18:46,630 --> 01:18:43,920
see them one at a time

2007
01:18:49,030 --> 01:18:46,640
were there more than one and and what

2008
01:18:52,310 --> 01:18:49,040
happened when you saw them

2009
01:18:55,750 --> 01:18:52,320
i remember mainly there always being one

2010
01:18:56,709 --> 01:18:55,760
but i also remember and i talked about

2011
01:18:59,910 --> 01:18:56,719
it too

2012
01:19:02,470 --> 01:18:59,920
in the video that my husband

2013
01:19:03,590 --> 01:19:02,480
when he filmed it i remember being up in

2014
01:19:06,390 --> 01:19:03,600
the attic

2015
01:19:08,470 --> 01:19:06,400
being levitated up in my attic and i

2016
01:19:10,229 --> 01:19:08,480
believe that's why my dad put all those

2017
01:19:11,510 --> 01:19:10,239
locks on the door because i was so

2018
01:19:13,750 --> 01:19:11,520
hysterical

2019
01:19:14,630 --> 01:19:13,760
but i remember seeing the rafters up in

2020
01:19:16,630 --> 01:19:14,640
the attic

2021
01:19:18,630 --> 01:19:16,640
so i had to have been levitated up in

2022
01:19:20,830 --> 01:19:18,640
the attic

2023
01:19:22,310 --> 01:19:20,840
and i remember being up in that attic

2024
01:19:25,669 --> 01:19:22,320
levitating

2025
01:19:28,709 --> 01:19:25,679
but you know back then

2026
01:19:30,550 --> 01:19:28,719
there was no there were no buildings

2027
01:19:31,910 --> 01:19:30,560
around that house back then either it

2028
01:19:33,510 --> 01:19:31,920
was all fields

2029
01:19:35,669 --> 01:19:33,520
and there was a field all the way down

2030
01:19:38,070 --> 01:19:35,679
to the river as well

2031
01:19:40,709 --> 01:19:38,080
now there's all buildings around that

2032
01:19:42,870 --> 01:19:40,719
river and there's a cyo building there

2033
01:19:45,990 --> 01:19:42,880
as well too

2034
01:19:47,350 --> 01:19:46,000
it's it's just so different to go there

2035
01:19:49,669 --> 01:19:47,360
now

2036
01:19:52,470 --> 01:19:49,679
my sister still says too that was the

2037
01:19:55,830 --> 01:19:52,480
creepiest house

2038
01:19:57,430 --> 01:19:55,840
very creepy house so you remember being

2039
01:20:00,630 --> 01:19:57,440
levitated

2040
01:20:03,510 --> 01:20:00,640
but do you remember and then going

2041
01:20:03,990 --> 01:20:03,520
out and then being taken out through the

2042
01:20:06,550 --> 01:20:04,000
attic

2043
01:20:08,070 --> 01:20:06,560
and then down that river i don't know

2044
01:20:10,870 --> 01:20:08,080
where they would bring me

2045
01:20:11,430 --> 01:20:10,880
once they got me down that river so

2046
01:20:15,669 --> 01:20:11,440
you're saying

2047
01:20:16,070 --> 01:20:15,679
they there were suicides on that street

2048
01:20:17,910 --> 01:20:16,080
too

2049
01:20:21,030 --> 01:20:17,920
something weird was going on on that

2050
01:20:24,310 --> 01:20:22,950
so yeah i find it really interesting

2051
01:20:28,149 --> 01:20:24,320
that it's

2052
01:20:30,070 --> 01:20:28,159
so regional that these oh yeah

2053
01:20:33,189 --> 01:20:30,080
and then two streets over the same thing

2054
01:20:35,430 --> 01:20:33,199
was happening to another girl my age

2055
01:20:36,390 --> 01:20:35,440
there were two daughters and it was an

2056
01:20:41,430 --> 01:20:36,400
another

2057
01:20:44,550 --> 01:20:41,440
same thing going on

2058
01:20:47,189 --> 01:20:44,560
wow and um

2059
01:20:50,229 --> 01:20:47,199
and they moved up to stockbridge because

2060
01:20:54,629 --> 01:20:50,239
their mother was listening to them

2061
01:20:58,950 --> 01:20:54,639
yeah and um

2062
01:21:02,550 --> 01:20:58,960
as far as like as far as you know

2063
01:21:06,950 --> 01:21:02,560
when you saw getting back to the beings

2064
01:21:09,189 --> 01:21:06,960
when you saw these things were were they

2065
01:21:10,229 --> 01:21:09,199
like did they touch you come up to you

2066
01:21:13,189 --> 01:21:10,239
close or

2067
01:21:14,070 --> 01:21:13,199
did you just remember seeing them it's

2068
01:21:17,510 --> 01:21:14,080
telepathic

2069
01:21:18,790 --> 01:21:17,520
communication is what they do and i just

2070
01:21:23,189 --> 01:21:18,800
remember one time

2071
01:21:26,790 --> 01:21:23,199
i'm like pointing at my sister

2072
01:21:30,790 --> 01:21:26,800
and not saying anything but

2073
01:21:33,669 --> 01:21:30,800
like that you're so scared you're so

2074
01:21:35,510 --> 01:21:33,679
frightened as a child you're just so

2075
01:21:38,229 --> 01:21:35,520
scared

2076
01:21:40,310 --> 01:21:38,239
it's it's like having a boogeyman in

2077
01:21:43,910 --> 01:21:40,320
your room

2078
01:21:46,629 --> 01:21:43,920
scared

2079
01:21:48,950 --> 01:21:46,639
i mean imagine being four years old and

2080
01:21:50,229 --> 01:21:48,960
five years old and six years old and

2081
01:21:53,510 --> 01:21:50,239
having

2082
01:21:55,110 --> 01:21:53,520
and a monster this is a monster to a

2083
01:21:57,910 --> 01:21:55,120
child and then

2084
01:22:00,950 --> 01:21:57,920
trying to get help from your parents and

2085
01:22:04,790 --> 01:22:00,960
then they lock you in a basement

2086
01:22:07,510 --> 01:22:04,800
it's a horrible thing to have happen

2087
01:22:10,790 --> 01:22:07,520
just i just can't and then have

2088
01:22:12,629 --> 01:22:10,800
everybody tell you that you're crazy

2089
01:22:16,149 --> 01:22:12,639
except for your sister saying no it

2090
01:22:18,550 --> 01:22:16,159
really did happen because i saw it too

2091
01:22:19,669 --> 01:22:18,560
wow uh we have we have someone on the

2092
01:22:21,590 --> 01:22:19,679
line we have a rob

2093
01:22:25,030 --> 01:22:21,600
calling from pennsylvania hi rob welcome

2094
01:22:28,390 --> 01:22:25,040
to the show

2095
01:22:31,590 --> 01:22:28,400
can you hear me rob hello

2096
01:22:33,350 --> 01:22:31,600
hey rob you're alive how are you yeah

2097
01:22:34,629 --> 01:22:33,360
not very i can't hear you very well can

2098
01:22:37,830 --> 01:22:34,639
you hear me

2099
01:22:41,110 --> 01:22:37,840
yeah it must be something on bills bills

2100
01:22:42,629 --> 01:22:41,120
bill has a brand new computer so um and

2101
01:22:43,750 --> 01:22:42,639
now can you hear well enough to

2102
01:22:47,350 --> 01:22:43,760
understand i'm

2103
01:22:47,830 --> 01:22:47,360
saying hi to you yeah i can i can i can

2104
01:22:49,510 --> 01:22:47,840
hear you

2105
01:22:51,270 --> 01:22:49,520
martin but not very well i'm just gonna

2106
01:22:54,870 --> 01:22:51,280
go ahead and ask my question

2107
01:22:56,950 --> 01:22:54,880
sure i i have two i'm gonna

2108
01:22:58,149 --> 01:22:56,960
i'm gonna ask the uh the eat what i

2109
01:23:01,510 --> 01:22:58,159
think might be the easy one

2110
01:23:02,790 --> 01:23:01,520
first um i remember you um

2111
01:23:09,430 --> 01:23:02,800
and by the way thank you for being on

2112
01:23:19,910 --> 01:23:13,990
hello did we lose you

2113
01:23:21,910 --> 01:23:19,920
uh so yeah we can't hear anything bill

2114
01:23:24,790 --> 01:23:21,920
bill has a new computer

2115
01:23:25,910 --> 01:23:24,800
uh at kgra i have a new computer because

2116
01:23:29,189 --> 01:23:25,920
i was fed up with

2117
01:23:31,510 --> 01:23:29,199
problems with it last week so we will

2118
01:23:34,629 --> 01:23:31,520
get these bugs worked out if

2119
01:23:35,510 --> 01:23:34,639
uh rob we don't have full moon so oh my

2120
01:23:37,910 --> 01:23:35,520
god

2121
01:23:39,750 --> 01:23:37,920
there you are rob yes go ahead we didn't

2122
01:23:42,870 --> 01:23:39,760
hear your question you're gonna have

2123
01:23:46,830 --> 01:23:42,880
the guide streaming screening the calls

2124
01:23:50,470 --> 01:23:46,840
um so i'll do this again i'll try um

2125
01:23:53,590 --> 01:23:52,310
yeah we're waiting for the man screening

2126
01:23:55,430 --> 01:23:53,600
the calls

2127
01:23:57,590 --> 01:23:55,440
no that you are live on the air right

2128
01:23:58,470 --> 01:23:57,600
now rob okay but i'll ask a question

2129
01:24:01,110 --> 01:23:58,480
over him

2130
01:24:02,950 --> 01:24:01,120
um i'm sorry melanie did you did you see

2131
01:24:05,669 --> 01:24:02,960
um any detail in the light

2132
01:24:07,030 --> 01:24:05,679
that you remember um you spoke about the

2133
01:24:09,110 --> 01:24:07,040
there was a real bright light

2134
01:24:11,430 --> 01:24:09,120
uh in front of the car when you were

2135
01:24:14,470 --> 01:24:11,440
young um did the did this light or any

2136
01:24:17,669 --> 01:24:15,990
that involved this experience these

2137
01:24:19,270 --> 01:24:17,679
experiences did the light have any

2138
01:24:21,669 --> 01:24:19,280
details you could describe

2139
01:24:23,910 --> 01:24:21,679
other than maybe it was a big flashlight

2140
01:24:26,390 --> 01:24:23,920
you know

2141
01:24:27,189 --> 01:24:26,400
i just remember that it had like an

2142
01:24:31,110 --> 01:24:27,199
amber

2143
01:24:34,470 --> 01:24:31,120
bronze reddish glow to it

2144
01:24:39,030 --> 01:24:34,480
it was just brilliant and it was huge

2145
01:24:43,189 --> 01:24:41,189
and i remember putting my head down i

2146
01:24:44,070 --> 01:24:43,199
was so scared because i knew they were

2147
01:24:46,310 --> 01:24:44,080
coming for me

2148
01:24:48,229 --> 01:24:46,320
and that's what would always happen

2149
01:24:51,110 --> 01:24:48,239
around the house it would be this bright

2150
01:24:56,629 --> 01:24:54,790
okay all right thanks and um i remember

2151
01:24:58,310 --> 01:24:56,639
you mentioning that

2152
01:25:01,669 --> 01:24:58,320
we're in that one room with all the

2153
01:25:04,550 --> 01:25:01,679
children and they disappeared one by one

2154
01:25:05,430 --> 01:25:04,560
did you have any uh any way of telling

2155
01:25:08,709 --> 01:25:05,440
how much time

2156
01:25:10,709 --> 01:25:08,719
passed uh or did you feel that you could

2157
01:25:12,950 --> 01:25:10,719
tell how much time was passing between

2158
01:25:16,470 --> 01:25:12,960
the children apparently just

2159
01:25:18,709 --> 01:25:16,480
disappearing from your view not between

2160
01:25:19,910 --> 01:25:18,719
the children but i was there for a long

2161
01:25:23,189 --> 01:25:19,920
time i know that

2162
01:25:23,910 --> 01:25:23,199
because we my parents and i we must have

2163
01:25:27,350 --> 01:25:23,920
been there

2164
01:25:31,030 --> 01:25:27,360
around 7 30 8 o'clock because it was

2165
01:25:34,149 --> 01:25:31,040
it was dusk and then when i woke up

2166
01:25:36,470 --> 01:25:34,159
the sun was just starting to come up

2167
01:25:38,550 --> 01:25:36,480
wow and it was in september so i was

2168
01:25:39,110 --> 01:25:38,560
gone for a long time i didn't look at a

2169
01:25:42,390 --> 01:25:39,120
watch

2170
01:25:44,790 --> 01:25:42,400
kid

2171
01:25:45,510 --> 01:25:44,800
but i still to this day i raised

2172
01:25:48,950 --> 01:25:45,520
chickens

2173
01:25:50,950 --> 01:25:48,960
still

2174
01:25:54,149 --> 01:25:50,960
look to see what time it is when the sun

2175
01:25:56,070 --> 01:25:54,159
is coming up that time of the year and i

2176
01:25:59,510 --> 01:25:56,080
still can't figure it out but

2177
01:26:01,350 --> 01:25:59,520
it's about i would say 5 30

2178
01:26:02,870 --> 01:26:01,360
in the morning you know when the sun's

2179
01:26:05,669 --> 01:26:02,880
coming up in september

2180
01:26:06,149 --> 01:26:05,679
i really don't know but it was a long

2181
01:26:09,910 --> 01:26:06,159
time

2182
01:26:11,350 --> 01:26:09,920
when the sun's starting to come up

2183
01:26:13,030 --> 01:26:11,360
hey rob thank you for your great

2184
01:26:16,709 --> 01:26:13,040
questions thank you rob

2185
01:26:18,550 --> 01:26:16,719
okay thank you thanks melanie bye-bye

2186
01:26:20,149 --> 01:26:18,560
bye-bye you know uh before we have

2187
01:26:22,709 --> 01:26:20,159
another caller before i take him though

2188
01:26:26,550 --> 01:26:22,719
i i wanted to say this that

2189
01:26:28,629 --> 01:26:26,560
i find it really interesting that

2190
01:26:30,229 --> 01:26:28,639
all of a sudden you must have been gone

2191
01:26:33,430 --> 01:26:30,239
from the car

2192
01:26:34,950 --> 01:26:33,440
and your parents drive home everybody

2193
01:26:38,229 --> 01:26:34,960
goes to bed

2194
01:26:39,270 --> 01:26:38,239
you're not there and you know it just

2195
01:26:42,790 --> 01:26:39,280
seems like such an

2196
01:26:44,310 --> 01:26:42,800
odd thing where they didn't say hey

2197
01:26:46,950 --> 01:26:44,320
where's melanie

2198
01:26:47,990 --> 01:26:46,960
and you know put out a search party for

2199
01:26:49,270 --> 01:26:48,000
you or anything

2200
01:26:51,669 --> 01:26:49,280
and it must have been like they were in

2201
01:26:54,470 --> 01:26:51,679
some type of trance or something i mean

2202
01:26:55,270 --> 01:26:54,480
well janie talks about that she janie

2203
01:26:58,149 --> 01:26:55,280
and my mom

2204
01:26:58,950 --> 01:26:58,159
talked about that and janie always says

2205
01:27:01,430 --> 01:26:58,960
you know

2206
01:27:03,750 --> 01:27:01,440
i swear that they used to put some kind

2207
01:27:06,870 --> 01:27:03,760
of fairy dust on us or something

2208
01:27:07,430 --> 01:27:06,880
she always says that whenever we talk

2209
01:27:09,910 --> 01:27:07,440
about it

2210
01:27:10,950 --> 01:27:09,920
she goes they always used to put fairy

2211
01:27:13,669 --> 01:27:10,960
dust on us

2212
01:27:14,629 --> 01:27:13,679
i said what do you mean she's there

2213
01:27:17,030 --> 01:27:14,639
because

2214
01:27:18,070 --> 01:27:17,040
you would come back in you would be gone

2215
01:27:21,590 --> 01:27:18,080
and then you would just

2216
01:27:24,470 --> 01:27:21,600
appear so mom and i we always say that

2217
01:27:26,070 --> 01:27:24,480
they must have put fairy dust on us like

2218
01:27:27,669 --> 01:27:26,080
then you would just appear and be

2219
01:27:32,310 --> 01:27:27,679
standing in her room

2220
01:27:35,430 --> 01:27:32,320
sleepwalking there it was creepy

2221
01:27:38,470 --> 01:27:35,440
wow amazing all right now we have uh

2222
01:27:42,310 --> 01:27:38,480
ali calling from dallas ally welcome to

2223
01:27:49,750 --> 01:27:46,229
ali can you hear us yes i uh

2224
01:27:53,590 --> 01:27:49,760
the voice your voice is a little low

2225
01:27:54,149 --> 01:27:53,600
all right yes the question i wanted to

2226
01:27:57,189 --> 01:27:54,159
ask

2227
01:28:00,310 --> 01:27:57,199
melanie was that uh

2228
01:28:03,510 --> 01:28:00,320
you know the fact that her body sets off

2229
01:28:05,270 --> 01:28:03,520
alarms in airports or detectors this

2230
01:28:06,550 --> 01:28:05,280
is this means that there's something

2231
01:28:09,669 --> 01:28:06,560
really different from

2232
01:28:11,110 --> 01:28:09,679
from her body compared to uh someone who

2233
01:28:13,030 --> 01:28:11,120
doesn't detect it

2234
01:28:15,030 --> 01:28:13,040
and i feel that this should be

2235
01:28:18,229 --> 01:28:15,040
scientifically studied

2236
01:28:19,510 --> 01:28:18,239
in detail i was wondering if you know

2237
01:28:20,550 --> 01:28:19,520
she could get involved with the

2238
01:28:22,870 --> 01:28:20,560
community and

2239
01:28:24,870 --> 01:28:22,880
people could maybe set up some kind of

2240
01:28:27,510 --> 01:28:24,880
detectors and maybe

2241
01:28:28,390 --> 01:28:27,520
even see some scientists in mit or

2242
01:28:30,950 --> 01:28:28,400
stanford

2243
01:28:32,629 --> 01:28:30,960
because this needs to be looked at and

2244
01:28:34,550 --> 01:28:32,639
maybe we will discover something

2245
01:28:37,830 --> 01:28:34,560
amazing about this because there has to

2246
01:28:43,510 --> 01:28:41,110
interesting interesting have you thought

2247
01:28:45,990 --> 01:28:43,520
about anything like that

2248
01:28:47,510 --> 01:28:46,000
i haven't to be honest with you i

2249
01:28:49,750 --> 01:28:47,520
wouldn't know where to begin

2250
01:28:51,189 --> 01:28:49,760
to be honest with you i mean i have uh

2251
01:28:54,470 --> 01:28:51,199
sat at the round table

2252
01:28:55,990 --> 01:28:54,480
when i was sick with uh years ago with

2253
01:28:57,830 --> 01:28:56,000
lyme disease and i didn't get too

2254
01:28:59,750 --> 01:28:57,840
far with that one so i don't know if i'm

2255
01:29:02,310 --> 01:28:59,760
going to get too far with

2256
01:29:02,950 --> 01:29:02,320
an implant because i didn't get very far

2257
01:29:05,590 --> 01:29:02,960
at the round

2258
01:29:07,669 --> 01:29:05,600
table at the university with lyme

2259
01:29:11,110 --> 01:29:07,679
disease so i doubt i'll get very far

2260
01:29:14,390 --> 01:29:11,120
with an implant

2261
01:29:16,310 --> 01:29:14,400
well um i think um ollie also meant

2262
01:29:17,990 --> 01:29:16,320
you know possibly not an implant but

2263
01:29:20,470 --> 01:29:18,000
there's something that's doing it

2264
01:29:21,350 --> 01:29:20,480
there's something about you well i have

2265
01:29:24,629 --> 01:29:21,360
i have

2266
01:29:26,470 --> 01:29:24,639
uh for my ears i've tried to work with

2267
01:29:27,590 --> 01:29:26,480
that and i didn't get anywhere with that

2268
01:29:29,669 --> 01:29:27,600
either

2269
01:29:31,990 --> 01:29:29,679
i've tried with all my health issues and

2270
01:29:35,590 --> 01:29:32,000
i've gotten nowhere

2271
01:29:38,629 --> 01:29:35,600
yeah well thanks for the call ollie

2272
01:29:43,110 --> 01:29:38,639
thank you very much

2273
01:29:44,149 --> 01:29:43,120
thing i wanted to say that i hope that

2274
01:29:47,270 --> 01:29:44,159
you have

2275
01:29:49,990 --> 01:29:47,280
uh recalled this event in great detail

2276
01:29:51,910 --> 01:29:50,000
as much as you can remember every single

2277
01:29:53,270 --> 01:29:51,920
detail and have it written down

2278
01:29:56,149 --> 01:29:53,280
somewhere

2279
01:29:56,550 --> 01:29:56,159
so if this information is not lost

2280
01:30:00,149 --> 01:29:56,560
that's

2281
01:30:02,070 --> 01:30:00,159
all thank you it is a historical event

2282
01:30:04,870 --> 01:30:02,080
and that's what's so important about it

2283
01:30:08,070 --> 01:30:04,880
you're very right

2284
01:30:10,470 --> 01:30:08,080
thanks a lot thank you so much um

2285
01:30:12,790 --> 01:30:10,480
martin and melanie have a good day thank

2286
01:30:15,110 --> 01:30:12,800
you thank you you too

2287
01:30:16,390 --> 01:30:15,120
yep so the line is uh open again and

2288
01:30:18,310 --> 01:30:16,400
that number is

2289
01:30:19,430 --> 01:30:18,320
eight five five four seven two five four

2290
01:30:21,750 --> 01:30:19,440
eight three

2291
01:30:24,470 --> 01:30:21,760
and we welcome your we welcome your

2292
01:30:27,510 --> 01:30:24,480
calls a great question so far

2293
01:30:28,310 --> 01:30:27,520
um and again one of the things you said

2294
01:30:32,229 --> 01:30:28,320
about the

2295
01:30:33,910 --> 01:30:32,239
the five locks on your attic

2296
01:30:36,470 --> 01:30:33,920
that's really that your father put up

2297
01:30:39,030 --> 01:30:36,480
there and

2298
01:30:40,709 --> 01:30:39,040
the thing that struck me is when he put

2299
01:30:41,910 --> 01:30:40,719
those locks or three locks or whatever

2300
01:30:44,550 --> 01:30:41,920
it is you said

2301
01:30:45,990 --> 01:30:44,560
on the attic am i picturing one of these

2302
01:30:47,669 --> 01:30:46,000
attics where the

2303
01:30:49,990 --> 01:30:47,679
panel comes down and there's stairways

2304
01:30:52,629 --> 01:30:50,000
inside the panel or is it like a

2305
01:30:54,470 --> 01:30:52,639
stairway up to the attic no it was it

2306
01:30:57,270 --> 01:30:54,480
was a closet

2307
01:30:57,750 --> 01:30:57,280
and then it was a stair like a ladder

2308
01:30:59,189 --> 01:30:57,760
stair

2309
01:31:01,350 --> 01:30:59,199
but it wasn't the kind that you pulled

2310
01:31:04,950 --> 01:31:01,360
down it was the kind that just went up

2311
01:31:09,510 --> 01:31:04,960
and then attic yeah

2312
01:31:11,430 --> 01:31:09,520
um and so he must have heard you tell

2313
01:31:13,030 --> 01:31:11,440
the story that you're up and you felt

2314
01:31:14,070 --> 01:31:13,040
like you were levitated in the attic is

2315
01:31:17,669 --> 01:31:14,080
that why you did that

2316
01:31:19,510 --> 01:31:17,679
oh i was scared to death of that addict

2317
01:31:20,629 --> 01:31:19,520
and not to pit one against the other but

2318
01:31:22,870 --> 01:31:20,639
was your father a little more

2319
01:31:25,430 --> 01:31:22,880
sympathetic to you than

2320
01:31:28,550 --> 01:31:25,440
your mom yes oh yeah he was the one that

2321
01:31:32,070 --> 01:31:28,560
brought me to the doctors all the time

2322
01:31:34,229 --> 01:31:32,080
and ironically my uh henry he would go

2323
01:31:35,030 --> 01:31:34,239
to the same doctor because we discovered

2324
01:31:37,350 --> 01:31:35,040
later that

2325
01:31:39,430 --> 01:31:37,360
we went to the same doctor in housatonic

2326
01:31:41,669 --> 01:31:39,440
because the doctor had a grandfather

2327
01:31:44,149 --> 01:31:41,679
clock

2328
01:31:44,870 --> 01:31:44,159
at that he remembered yeah and we both

2329
01:31:47,590 --> 01:31:44,880
remember

2330
01:31:47,990 --> 01:31:47,600
seeing the grandfather clock yeah but my

2331
01:31:50,149 --> 01:31:48,000
mom

2332
01:31:52,310 --> 01:31:50,159
never brought me to that doctor it was

2333
01:31:53,990 --> 01:31:52,320
always my dad that took me to the doctor

2334
01:31:56,950 --> 01:31:54,000
because of these stomach pains that i

2335
01:32:03,030 --> 01:32:00,550
yeah um here is uh whoops where to go

2336
01:32:07,030 --> 01:32:03,040
right here here's a question in chat

2337
01:32:09,590 --> 01:32:07,040
um did you ever have any um x-ray

2338
01:32:10,470 --> 01:32:09,600
after that after you they wandered your

2339
01:32:14,229 --> 01:32:10,480
chest

2340
01:32:15,750 --> 01:32:14,239
setting off the alarm there have you

2341
01:32:16,390 --> 01:32:15,760
ever thought about getting an x-ray to

2342
01:32:19,189 --> 01:32:16,400
see what's

2343
01:32:20,629 --> 01:32:19,199
why that happens and i'm not saying

2344
01:32:23,910 --> 01:32:20,639
specifically for a

2345
01:32:24,950 --> 01:32:23,920
implant but just in general i well i

2346
01:32:28,070 --> 01:32:24,960
have had a

2347
01:32:31,590 --> 01:32:28,080
a heart ablation before

2348
01:32:34,950 --> 01:32:31,600
and i've had um

2349
01:32:36,950 --> 01:32:34,960
what do you call it um uh i had a heart

2350
01:32:40,550 --> 01:32:36,960
attack at one point

2351
01:32:41,110 --> 01:32:40,560
so i've had um what do you call it when

2352
01:32:48,229 --> 01:32:41,120
you have

2353
01:32:49,030 --> 01:32:48,239
done just make sure that you're yeah not

2354
01:32:52,229 --> 01:32:49,040
a stent

2355
01:32:55,350 --> 01:32:52,239
but when um when they run the

2356
01:32:57,669 --> 01:32:55,360
catheterization to check your heart

2357
01:32:58,870 --> 01:32:57,679
so they if there was a something in

2358
01:32:59,830 --> 01:32:58,880
there i would think they would have

2359
01:33:01,910 --> 01:32:59,840
picked it up

2360
01:33:03,590 --> 01:33:01,920
because i looked at it myself i was

2361
01:33:04,390 --> 01:33:03,600
curious to see what your heart looks

2362
01:33:07,669 --> 01:33:04,400
like

2363
01:33:10,149 --> 01:33:07,679
i wanted to watch i didn't want i wanted

2364
01:33:12,870 --> 01:33:10,159
to see what it looked like

2365
01:33:13,590 --> 01:33:12,880
that they would have picked it up yeah

2366
01:33:17,350 --> 01:33:13,600
you would think so

2367
01:33:19,990 --> 01:33:17,360
then i would think i mean they weren't

2368
01:33:20,470 --> 01:33:20,000
x-raying me but they were looking at my

2369
01:33:23,030 --> 01:33:20,480
heart

2370
01:33:24,149 --> 01:33:23,040
then they weren't looking at my chest

2371
01:33:27,590 --> 01:33:24,159
though

2372
01:33:29,270 --> 01:33:27,600
i don't know and had you ever

2373
01:33:31,110 --> 01:33:29,280
had you ever been able to talk to your

2374
01:33:32,629 --> 01:33:31,120
dad about the incident at any point in

2375
01:33:34,790 --> 01:33:32,639
your life or

2376
01:33:36,709 --> 01:33:34,800
that just never happened they they're

2377
01:33:38,470 --> 01:33:36,719
not someone that you can really have a

2378
01:33:42,870 --> 01:33:38,480
conversation like that about

2379
01:33:44,870 --> 01:33:42,880
plus he can't hear really well also

2380
01:33:47,030 --> 01:33:44,880
i mean it just it just impresses me that

2381
01:33:53,910 --> 01:33:47,040
he says holy you know and then

2382
01:34:01,910 --> 01:33:58,629
he always he remembers it

2383
01:34:03,189 --> 01:34:01,920
very well but he

2384
01:34:05,110 --> 01:34:03,199
he probably doesn't remember driving

2385
01:34:07,990 --> 01:34:05,120
home right you said that

2386
01:34:09,030 --> 01:34:08,000
no according to my sister they talk

2387
01:34:10,790 --> 01:34:09,040
about it and

2388
01:34:13,669 --> 01:34:10,800
they don't remember my mother always

2389
01:34:15,830 --> 01:34:13,679
says to my sister how did we get home

2390
01:34:17,590 --> 01:34:15,840
i don't remember coming home do you

2391
01:34:18,390 --> 01:34:17,600
remember how he got home and janie's

2392
01:34:21,430 --> 01:34:18,400
like

2393
01:34:25,830 --> 01:34:24,629
hmm wow someone has an interesting thing

2394
01:34:28,870 --> 01:34:25,840
i'm probably not going to put it up

2395
01:34:31,990 --> 01:34:28,880
it's about their daughter

2396
01:34:33,350 --> 01:34:32,000
but i'll ask you this because it's a

2397
01:34:35,350 --> 01:34:33,360
really weird question

2398
01:34:36,709 --> 01:34:35,360
and i hope you're okay with it have you

2399
01:34:40,070 --> 01:34:36,719
ever

2400
01:34:42,470 --> 01:34:40,080
had any situations with owls

2401
01:34:44,070 --> 01:34:42,480
all the time in fact i have oh i got

2402
01:34:46,550 --> 01:34:44,080
goosebumps that you're in

2403
01:34:47,750 --> 01:34:46,560
they are on my property all over and i

2404
01:34:50,470 --> 01:34:47,760
have one that

2405
01:34:52,790 --> 01:34:50,480
sits outside my bathroom window and

2406
01:34:53,910 --> 01:34:52,800
looks in my i have this huge window in

2407
01:34:57,750 --> 01:34:53,920
my bathroom

2408
01:35:00,709 --> 01:34:57,760
i have photographs of it it looks at me

2409
01:35:02,310 --> 01:35:00,719
right in my window it will sit there

2410
01:35:05,270 --> 01:35:02,320
staring at me

2411
01:35:06,470 --> 01:35:05,280
i had a girl that was camping on my

2412
01:35:08,870 --> 01:35:06,480
property

2413
01:35:09,830 --> 01:35:08,880
she moved because that owl used to

2414
01:35:12,310 --> 01:35:09,840
follow her

2415
01:35:14,390 --> 01:35:12,320
everywhere and i used to say what you

2416
01:35:15,430 --> 01:35:14,400
don't like my owl and she said it's too

2417
01:35:17,510 --> 01:35:15,440
creepy

2418
01:35:19,510 --> 01:35:17,520
owls aren't supposed to be following you

2419
01:35:20,550 --> 01:35:19,520
around in the daytime and that owl is

2420
01:35:23,590 --> 01:35:20,560
following you

2421
01:35:25,750 --> 01:35:23,600
and now it's following me everywhere

2422
01:35:27,189 --> 01:35:25,760
oh so she laughed it freaked her out too

2423
01:35:29,510 --> 01:35:27,199
much no i've got

2424
01:35:30,709 --> 01:35:29,520
yeah i've got an owl that follows me

2425
01:35:33,669 --> 01:35:30,719
everywhere

2426
01:35:36,790 --> 01:35:33,679
oh wow what is it i don't even know if i

2427
01:35:40,550 --> 01:35:38,629
there is uh there's a lot of people that

2428
01:35:42,950 --> 01:35:40,560
make a connection between

2429
01:35:43,750 --> 01:35:42,960
um actually between the grace and the

2430
01:35:46,310 --> 01:35:43,760
owls

2431
01:35:47,590 --> 01:35:46,320
um that you're thinking you're seeing an

2432
01:35:49,750 --> 01:35:47,600
owl but it's not

2433
01:35:52,149 --> 01:35:49,760
um there's a guy that's written books on

2434
01:35:54,950 --> 01:35:52,159
it and uh it's it's pretty fascinating

2435
01:35:56,149 --> 01:35:54,960
and um you know a lot of people will uh

2436
01:35:58,790 --> 01:35:56,159
it comes up in a

2437
01:35:59,189 --> 01:35:58,800
conversation about encounters a lot more

2438
01:36:01,350 --> 01:35:59,199
than

2439
01:36:03,830 --> 01:36:01,360
you can imagine we have another caller

2440
01:36:06,070 --> 01:36:03,840
uh we can talk about that later

2441
01:36:06,950 --> 01:36:06,080
even though my idea i will send you that

2442
01:36:09,030 --> 01:36:06,960
photograph

2443
01:36:09,990 --> 01:36:09,040
because you're going to be fascinated by

2444
01:36:13,189 --> 01:36:10,000
it it's

2445
01:36:16,470 --> 01:36:13,199
a close-up shot too yeah they found in

2446
01:36:18,550 --> 01:36:16,480
fact i was hiking last sunday with henry

2447
01:36:21,350 --> 01:36:18,560
and i said what was that he goes that's

2448
01:36:23,830 --> 01:36:21,360
the owl again

2449
01:36:25,750 --> 01:36:23,840
and i said really it's out this early

2450
01:36:28,390 --> 01:36:25,760
again he goes yeah it was huge

2451
01:36:29,830 --> 01:36:28,400
too did you see it and i said yeah but i

2452
01:36:31,510 --> 01:36:29,840
didn't think it was an owl i thought

2453
01:36:32,070 --> 01:36:31,520
maybe it was an eagle he goes no that

2454
01:36:35,990 --> 01:36:32,080
was the

2455
01:36:38,070 --> 01:36:36,000
owl yeah they get really you know the

2456
01:36:39,750 --> 01:36:38,080
great horned owls definitely get huge if

2457
01:36:43,030 --> 01:36:39,760
that's what it happens to be

2458
01:36:45,430 --> 01:36:43,040
um we have andy um on the line

2459
01:36:48,790 --> 01:36:45,440
from connecticut once again andy welcome

2460
01:36:55,270 --> 01:36:52,470
hi brooks uh just a quick question um

2461
01:36:58,470 --> 01:36:55,280
are you aware of the betty andreason uh

2462
01:37:01,830 --> 01:37:00,629
and uh just are you aware of the betty

2463
01:37:05,109 --> 01:37:01,840
andreas in case

2464
01:37:08,149 --> 01:37:05,119
and and uh

2465
01:37:09,830 --> 01:37:08,159
any comments on that thank you

2466
01:37:11,830 --> 01:37:09,840
sure i'm sorry the connection's not

2467
01:37:14,950 --> 01:37:11,840
quite too good um

2468
01:37:15,350 --> 01:37:14,960
the betty andreas case i think he's

2469
01:37:17,910 --> 01:37:15,360
saying

2470
01:37:18,390 --> 01:37:17,920
are you familiar with that i mean you

2471
01:37:21,590 --> 01:37:18,400
know

2472
01:37:23,990 --> 01:37:21,600
you don't really no okay i don't really

2473
01:37:24,709 --> 01:37:24,000
i never could watch any of those films

2474
01:37:27,750 --> 01:37:24,719
i'm just

2475
01:37:31,030 --> 01:37:27,760
starting now to be able

2476
01:37:33,510 --> 01:37:31,040
to watch them because now i'm able to

2477
01:37:37,510 --> 01:37:33,520
come to terms with it and not be

2478
01:37:39,669 --> 01:37:37,520
as frightened about it sure

2479
01:37:41,030 --> 01:37:39,679
yeah because i'm able to talk about it

2480
01:37:43,830 --> 01:37:41,040
before i couldn't talk about

2481
01:37:45,910 --> 01:37:43,840
it yeah i have people like you martin

2482
01:37:46,950 --> 01:37:45,920
and people like tom reed that i can talk

2483
01:37:48,709 --> 01:37:46,960
to about it

2484
01:37:51,109 --> 01:37:48,719
before i only had my husband and my

2485
01:37:52,310 --> 01:37:51,119
sister and my close friends but now i

2486
01:37:55,189 --> 01:37:52,320
have other people in

2487
01:37:57,189 --> 01:37:55,199
the ufology groups that i can talk to

2488
01:37:59,910 --> 01:37:57,199
about it

2489
01:38:01,510 --> 01:37:59,920
right right uh thanks sandy and i'm not

2490
01:38:04,470 --> 01:38:01,520
sure what the

2491
01:38:06,070 --> 01:38:04,480
issue was you usually come in uh clear

2492
01:38:07,750 --> 01:38:06,080
again it could be our

2493
01:38:10,070 --> 01:38:07,760
the system uh bill's gonna do a little

2494
01:38:11,910 --> 01:38:10,080
tweaking before next week

2495
01:38:15,830 --> 01:38:11,920
um we'll try this call chris from

2496
01:38:19,750 --> 01:38:15,840
houston uh welcome to the show

2497
01:38:24,390 --> 01:38:19,760
hi oh sorry i mean yeah

2498
01:38:26,790 --> 01:38:24,400
yeah turn it uh hi um i'm

2499
01:38:28,629 --> 01:38:26,800
fascinated the thing it's hard to even

2500
01:38:32,390 --> 01:38:28,639
formulate a question

2501
01:38:37,030 --> 01:38:32,400
the interesting tiffany won't you

2502
01:38:38,870 --> 01:38:37,040
um i've had experiences very similar to

2503
01:38:40,790 --> 01:38:38,880
a lot of your experiences the thing

2504
01:38:41,350 --> 01:38:40,800
that's very different and i wonder have

2505
01:38:46,310 --> 01:38:41,360
you

2506
01:38:49,109 --> 01:38:46,320
child

2507
01:38:50,629 --> 01:38:49,119
like at age four and five or it sounds

2508
01:38:52,229 --> 01:38:50,639
like you were just terrified

2509
01:38:55,510 --> 01:38:52,239
the entire time everything was

2510
01:38:57,910 --> 01:38:55,520
terrifying everybody was terrified

2511
01:38:59,109 --> 01:38:57,920
i wasn't terrified and i'm fascinated by

2512
01:39:02,390 --> 01:38:59,119
the difference

2513
01:39:03,750 --> 01:39:02,400
i was never terrified i was i was told i

2514
01:39:05,590 --> 01:39:03,760
went through the same thing of being

2515
01:39:08,790 --> 01:39:05,600
told not to talk about it

2516
01:39:11,910 --> 01:39:08,800
and and uh trained denial uh

2517
01:39:13,669 --> 01:39:11,920
never never blocked it it was never a

2518
01:39:14,470 --> 01:39:13,679
lost memory or anything but i just

2519
01:39:17,669 --> 01:39:14,480
learned

2520
01:39:18,310 --> 01:39:17,679
not to ever repeat what i experienced or

2521
01:39:21,910 --> 01:39:18,320
to ask

2522
01:39:25,430 --> 01:39:21,920
the strangers about it and um

2523
01:39:28,629 --> 01:39:25,440
but the experience itself i was never

2524
01:39:31,590 --> 01:39:28,639
afraid ever it repeated experiences

2525
01:39:32,390 --> 01:39:31,600
the levitations the the recruiters in my

2526
01:39:35,430 --> 01:39:32,400
room

2527
01:39:37,270 --> 01:39:35,440
going to places seeing military people

2528
01:39:39,750 --> 01:39:37,280
look like american military i mean i was

2529
01:39:42,390 --> 01:39:39,760
45 years old didn't really know much

2530
01:39:44,390 --> 01:39:42,400
but i had seen people in uniform i had

2531
01:39:47,430 --> 01:39:44,400
relatives in the military

2532
01:39:50,870 --> 01:39:47,440
um but i remember that i remember grace

2533
01:39:54,550 --> 01:39:50,880
i remember seeing a you know a classic

2534
01:39:57,830 --> 01:39:54,560
uh saucer and a hanger um

2535
01:40:00,790 --> 01:39:57,840
and but never once was i terrified

2536
01:40:02,470 --> 01:40:00,800
or hysterical i don't understand the

2537
01:40:04,790 --> 01:40:02,480
difference

2538
01:40:06,550 --> 01:40:04,800
well you're braver than i am then that's

2539
01:40:08,629 --> 01:40:06,560
all i can say

2540
01:40:11,590 --> 01:40:08,639
good for you take it off the air because

2541
01:40:16,229 --> 01:40:11,600
i can't hear you on the phone

2542
01:40:21,750 --> 01:40:19,430
so um yeah

2543
01:40:24,950 --> 01:40:21,760
i would imagine that it affects people

2544
01:40:29,990 --> 01:40:27,350
lucky him that he's as brave as that

2545
01:40:33,189 --> 01:40:30,000
good for him

2546
01:40:37,109 --> 01:40:33,199
and uh okay

2547
01:40:39,830 --> 01:40:37,119
but you know maybe perhaps he

2548
01:40:41,430 --> 01:40:39,840
he got a different message from whatever

2549
01:40:44,070 --> 01:40:41,440
was happening to him or

2550
01:40:45,910 --> 01:40:44,080
you know uh you know maybe he was uh

2551
01:40:48,950 --> 01:40:45,920
approached differently

2552
01:40:51,270 --> 01:40:48,960
you know because who knows

2553
01:40:53,430 --> 01:40:51,280
yeah everybody's different i mean some

2554
01:40:54,870 --> 01:40:53,440
people love going on a ferris wheel

2555
01:40:56,310 --> 01:40:54,880
other people are scared to death of a

2556
01:40:59,510 --> 01:40:56,320
ferris wheel

2557
01:41:01,350 --> 01:40:59,520
perfect example we're all different

2558
01:41:03,990 --> 01:41:01,360
people are different some people love

2559
01:41:07,510 --> 01:41:04,000
scuba diving other people don't

2560
01:41:09,189 --> 01:41:07,520
we're all different right um someone has

2561
01:41:12,310 --> 01:41:09,199
mentioned a couple of times in the

2562
01:41:15,430 --> 01:41:12,320
chat room um about the

2563
01:41:16,709 --> 01:41:15,440
flatwoods monster no there's nothing

2564
01:41:19,750 --> 01:41:16,719
you've probably never heard of

2565
01:41:21,510 --> 01:41:19,760
but uh frank um trying to remember his

2566
01:41:23,030 --> 01:41:21,520
last name who has written books on that

2567
01:41:24,790 --> 01:41:23,040
he will be coming up on the show just

2568
01:41:27,590 --> 01:41:24,800
let you know and

2569
01:41:29,350 --> 01:41:27,600
so uh for those of you that haven't

2570
01:41:32,629 --> 01:41:29,360
heard about that story it's really

2571
01:41:35,350 --> 01:41:32,639
uh another uh incredible one

2572
01:41:36,070 --> 01:41:35,360
with uh quite a few witnesses now i want

2573
01:41:39,510 --> 01:41:36,080
to ask you

2574
01:41:42,870 --> 01:41:39,520
this you live in the area out there

2575
01:41:44,709 --> 01:41:42,880
and i'm just wondering are people still

2576
01:41:46,629 --> 01:41:44,719
experiencing things in the area are you

2577
01:41:49,109 --> 01:41:46,639
aware of that

2578
01:41:50,709 --> 01:41:49,119
i have a friend that has some fabulous

2579
01:41:53,910 --> 01:41:50,719
photographs actually

2580
01:41:57,510 --> 01:41:53,920
uh from cherry hill that

2581
01:42:00,229 --> 01:41:57,520
she took of some ufos

2582
01:42:01,990 --> 01:42:00,239
that she i think it was maybe four years

2583
01:42:04,870 --> 01:42:02,000
ago that she took it

2584
01:42:06,550 --> 01:42:04,880
took these photographs and people see

2585
01:42:09,830 --> 01:42:06,560
them all the time

2586
01:42:12,870 --> 01:42:09,840
around the cherry hill area for sure

2587
01:42:13,510 --> 01:42:12,880
definitely cherry hill seems to be a hot

2588
01:42:17,189 --> 01:42:13,520
spot

2589
01:42:19,030 --> 01:42:17,199
area

2590
01:42:23,189 --> 01:42:19,040
there's a swamp down there that's where

2591
01:42:26,470 --> 01:42:25,030
a lot of people see things over cherry

2592
01:42:28,470 --> 01:42:26,480
hill

2593
01:42:30,149 --> 01:42:28,480
and just uh you know getting back you

2594
01:42:33,669 --> 01:42:30,159
mentioned jane's name

2595
01:42:35,109 --> 01:42:33,679
how did um you know like i mentioned at

2596
01:42:37,990 --> 01:42:35,119
the top of the show

2597
01:42:39,750 --> 01:42:38,000
i only knew this is the reed family

2598
01:42:40,870 --> 01:42:39,760
incident i had no idea there were other

2599
01:42:44,470 --> 01:42:40,880
people involved

2600
01:42:48,229 --> 01:42:44,480
how did that uh or do you even know

2601
01:42:49,750 --> 01:42:48,239
how it came about where um netflix in

2602
01:42:51,430 --> 01:42:49,760
particular

2603
01:42:53,830 --> 01:42:51,440
found all these people that this

2604
01:42:57,030 --> 01:42:53,840
happened to uh did someone

2605
01:43:00,390 --> 01:42:57,040
in the town connect people together

2606
01:43:03,350 --> 01:43:00,400
well tom told me that he always knew

2607
01:43:04,550 --> 01:43:03,360
that my brother knew about it and had

2608
01:43:08,149 --> 01:43:04,560
talked about it

2609
01:43:10,470 --> 01:43:08,159
i guess they're the same age

2610
01:43:11,910 --> 01:43:10,480
see i'm older than all these guys i'm

2611
01:43:15,109 --> 01:43:11,920
much older than

2612
01:43:17,750 --> 01:43:15,119
the two times and apparently they were

2613
01:43:19,750 --> 01:43:17,760
all talking about it at school

2614
01:43:21,030 --> 01:43:19,760
ah so they were talking about it but you

2615
01:43:22,709 --> 01:43:21,040
just didn't they were but

2616
01:43:24,629 --> 01:43:22,719
i was older than them and i wasn't

2617
01:43:27,830 --> 01:43:24,639
allowed to yeah

2618
01:43:30,870 --> 01:43:27,840
see i'm four years older than them they

2619
01:43:32,390 --> 01:43:30,880
i was leaving school and they were just

2620
01:43:34,790 --> 01:43:32,400
you know they were freshmen i was a

2621
01:43:38,310 --> 01:43:34,800
senior and i was in the art department

2622
01:43:41,830 --> 01:43:38,320
so i didn't rally with these guys

2623
01:43:44,950 --> 01:43:41,840
right and um

2624
01:43:46,629 --> 01:43:44,960
so now you say that you're you're just

2625
01:43:48,229 --> 01:43:46,639
beginning to be able to look at this

2626
01:43:50,950 --> 01:43:48,239
topic a little more

2627
01:43:52,229 --> 01:43:50,960
um i i did want to tell you this is just

2628
01:43:54,950 --> 01:43:52,239
my opinion but

2629
01:43:56,470 --> 01:43:54,960
it's a it's a much easier time than just

2630
01:43:57,830 --> 01:43:56,480
a few years ago

2631
01:43:59,590 --> 01:43:57,840
to be able to come out with something

2632
01:44:02,550 --> 01:43:59,600
like this more people are

2633
01:44:03,109 --> 01:44:02,560
taking it serious there's more science

2634
01:44:05,030 --> 01:44:03,119
that

2635
01:44:06,709 --> 01:44:05,040
is looking into the topic which i think

2636
01:44:09,669 --> 01:44:06,719
is wonderful we have a

2637
01:44:10,870 --> 01:44:09,679
um a harvard uh professor that was uh

2638
01:44:12,950 --> 01:44:10,880
heading the

2639
01:44:15,030 --> 01:44:12,960
uh astronomy department he's going to be

2640
01:44:17,189 --> 01:44:15,040
on the show talking about

2641
01:44:18,790 --> 01:44:17,199
a book that he's written that he

2642
01:44:20,430 --> 01:44:18,800
believes it's very possible that we've

2643
01:44:23,109 --> 01:44:20,440
been visited by

2644
01:44:23,910 --> 01:44:23,119
extraterrestrial object in our solar

2645
01:44:25,030 --> 01:44:23,920
system

2646
01:44:26,470 --> 01:44:25,040
i'm going to find out what he thinks

2647
01:44:27,030 --> 01:44:26,480
about ufos i'm reading the book right

2648
01:44:29,030 --> 01:44:27,040
now it's

2649
01:44:31,350 --> 01:44:29,040
really really good he's pretty

2650
01:44:35,350 --> 01:44:31,360
open-minded and he thinks

2651
01:44:38,790 --> 01:44:35,360
it's a a shame that more people

2652
01:44:40,629 --> 01:44:38,800
like him are not at least looking into

2653
01:44:41,990 --> 01:44:40,639
what could be going on he's not

2654
01:44:46,070 --> 01:44:42,000
particularly talking about

2655
01:44:50,229 --> 01:44:46,080
ufos but possible extraterrestrial life

2656
01:44:54,229 --> 01:44:50,239
which you know is a is a great topic

2657
01:44:57,830 --> 01:44:54,239
and wouldn't it be like the discovery of

2658
01:44:59,590 --> 01:44:57,840
the millennium if uh if that

2659
01:45:00,870 --> 01:44:59,600
could be verified that we actually do

2660
01:45:03,510 --> 01:45:00,880
have

2661
01:45:04,390 --> 01:45:03,520
um you know extraterrestrial life

2662
01:45:07,430 --> 01:45:04,400
visiting us

2663
01:45:12,629 --> 01:45:07,440
or that it's out there even intelligence

2664
01:45:15,189 --> 01:45:12,639
um if you had to guess

2665
01:45:16,149 --> 01:45:15,199
i'm asking you to theorize would you

2666
01:45:19,270 --> 01:45:16,159
think that that's

2667
01:45:20,790 --> 01:45:19,280
what was that's what's been going on or

2668
01:45:23,990 --> 01:45:20,800
are you just want to throw up your hands

2669
01:45:27,030 --> 01:45:26,310
i really don't know i think about it all

2670
01:45:29,990 --> 01:45:27,040
the time

2671
01:45:31,750 --> 01:45:30,000
and i want to continue to research this

2672
01:45:35,270 --> 01:45:31,760
i'm not going to stop

2673
01:45:36,790 --> 01:45:35,280
researching this i i'm not going to say

2674
01:45:39,030 --> 01:45:36,800
i was abducted

2675
01:45:39,830 --> 01:45:39,040
because i don't know what happened i

2676
01:45:42,790 --> 01:45:39,840
honestly

2677
01:45:43,510 --> 01:45:42,800
don't know what happened i know

2678
01:45:47,270 --> 01:45:43,520
something

2679
01:45:51,189 --> 01:45:47,280
happened to me i know what i saw i know

2680
01:45:54,790 --> 01:45:51,199
that something happened to me i know

2681
01:45:58,709 --> 01:45:54,800
that it was a continuous thing

2682
01:46:02,870 --> 01:45:58,719
but was it the government was it ufos

2683
01:46:05,430 --> 01:46:02,880
is it paranormal activity because of

2684
01:46:06,629 --> 01:46:05,440
indigenous peoples is it the combination

2685
01:46:08,629 --> 01:46:06,639
of all three

2686
01:46:10,950 --> 01:46:08,639
which i think it's all three a

2687
01:46:14,470 --> 01:46:10,960
combination of all three

2688
01:46:17,590 --> 01:46:14,480
so i think we need to research the three

2689
01:46:18,870 --> 01:46:17,600
all three and i don't think we should

2690
01:46:22,709 --> 01:46:18,880
stop

2691
01:46:23,910 --> 01:46:22,719
there's definitely something going on

2692
01:46:27,270 --> 01:46:23,920
for sure

2693
01:46:29,669 --> 01:46:27,280
and i believe it's generational as well

2694
01:46:30,310 --> 01:46:29,679
yeah so you mentioned a little while ago

2695
01:46:31,830 --> 01:46:30,320
you mentioned

2696
01:46:33,590 --> 01:46:31,840
betty and barney hill so at least you

2697
01:46:36,149 --> 01:46:33,600
have heard about that

2698
01:46:37,590 --> 01:46:36,159
i have and the reason why i've heard

2699
01:46:40,709 --> 01:46:37,600
about it is because

2700
01:46:42,390 --> 01:46:40,719
um i've heard about it from tom

2701
01:46:43,990 --> 01:46:42,400
who tom reed who's friends with them

2702
01:46:45,590 --> 01:46:44,000
he's friend not with them but friends

2703
01:46:47,990 --> 01:46:45,600
with his family

2704
01:46:50,229 --> 01:46:48,000
yeah that's what how i know about it

2705
01:46:53,189 --> 01:46:50,239
kathleen martin

2706
01:46:53,990 --> 01:46:53,199
i'm sure that's who it is who's i never

2707
01:46:55,830 --> 01:46:54,000
followed any

2708
01:46:58,310 --> 01:46:55,840
of this stuff because it was too

2709
01:47:00,629 --> 01:46:58,320
frightening for me i just didn't

2710
01:47:02,629 --> 01:47:00,639
like i said if a friend of mine would

2711
01:47:04,470 --> 01:47:02,639
come down to visit from vermont who was

2712
01:47:05,669 --> 01:47:04,480
really into this stuff and she'd watch

2713
01:47:08,470 --> 01:47:05,679
it with my husband

2714
01:47:10,310 --> 01:47:08,480
move films and discovery channel and all

2715
01:47:11,830 --> 01:47:10,320
that and i'd leave the room and go in

2716
01:47:14,550 --> 01:47:11,840
the other room because it was too

2717
01:47:16,550 --> 01:47:14,560
scary for me and she even said to me the

2718
01:47:18,229 --> 01:47:16,560
other day she said

2719
01:47:19,830 --> 01:47:18,239
you know i never could figure out why

2720
01:47:20,470 --> 01:47:19,840
you wouldn't sit in the room and watch

2721
01:47:23,750 --> 01:47:20,480
it with us

2722
01:47:25,270 --> 01:47:23,760
now i know why it was too scary for me

2723
01:47:26,229 --> 01:47:25,280
she said i'm really sorry i would put

2724
01:47:27,750 --> 01:47:26,239
you through that

2725
01:47:29,430 --> 01:47:27,760
i didn't know her well enough at the

2726
01:47:32,550 --> 01:47:29,440
time to to tell her

2727
01:47:35,189 --> 01:47:32,560
but now she knows right

2728
01:47:36,709 --> 01:47:35,199
yeah wow i can't believe we only have uh

2729
01:47:38,310 --> 01:47:36,719
seven minutes left so we're going to be

2730
01:47:40,550 --> 01:47:38,320
closing the phone line

2731
01:47:41,830 --> 01:47:40,560
fairly soon if you'd like to make a call

2732
01:47:44,229 --> 01:47:41,840
please do that now

2733
01:47:45,910 --> 01:47:44,239
and bill will be standing by and for

2734
01:47:49,430 --> 01:47:45,920
those of you over at the radio

2735
01:47:53,270 --> 01:47:49,440
um station it is 855

2736
01:47:56,149 --> 01:47:53,280
two five four eight three

2737
01:47:57,590 --> 01:47:56,159
and so i understand you know just by

2738
01:47:59,830 --> 01:47:57,600
listening to you that you

2739
01:48:02,830 --> 01:47:59,840
you're gonna you know this is something

2740
01:48:05,830 --> 01:48:02,840
that you're interested in researching

2741
01:48:08,470 --> 01:48:05,840
and if if you find

2742
01:48:09,590 --> 01:48:08,480
an answer to what is going on if you

2743
01:48:11,590 --> 01:48:09,600
happen to

2744
01:48:12,629 --> 01:48:11,600
do you think it would help you or do you

2745
01:48:15,109 --> 01:48:12,639
think it wouldn't make

2746
01:48:16,149 --> 01:48:15,119
much of a difference i think it would

2747
01:48:17,830 --> 01:48:16,159
help a lot of us

2748
01:48:20,310 --> 01:48:17,840
to be honest with you i think it's

2749
01:48:22,390 --> 01:48:20,320
fascinating i love the study of

2750
01:48:24,149 --> 01:48:22,400
uh what went on here the history of the

2751
01:48:26,790 --> 01:48:24,159
berkshires i think is

2752
01:48:27,350 --> 01:48:26,800
is wonderful it's it's a wonderful place

2753
01:48:29,669 --> 01:48:27,360
to live

2754
01:48:31,510 --> 01:48:29,679
i feel very fortunate to have grown up

2755
01:48:33,669 --> 01:48:31,520
here and to live here

2756
01:48:34,950 --> 01:48:33,679
i love the people here it's a beautiful

2757
01:48:37,430 --> 01:48:34,960
place

2758
01:48:37,990 --> 01:48:37,440
and it's historical it's a historic

2759
01:48:41,189 --> 01:48:38,000
whatever

2760
01:48:43,510 --> 01:48:41,199
happened it's history it was history

2761
01:48:44,470 --> 01:48:43,520
and i think we need to learn what

2762
01:48:46,870 --> 01:48:44,480
happened what

2763
01:48:48,950 --> 01:48:46,880
happened to us as children here

2764
01:48:50,950 --> 01:48:48,960
something happened to us

2765
01:48:53,350 --> 01:48:50,960
and i think we're foolish if we don't

2766
01:48:55,910 --> 01:48:53,360
look into it and find out

2767
01:48:56,870 --> 01:48:55,920
it's our history right and speaking of

2768
01:48:59,910 --> 01:48:56,880
history

2769
01:49:01,270 --> 01:48:59,920
um you know i realize the town has been

2770
01:49:03,109 --> 01:49:01,280
you know you talk about

2771
01:49:04,390 --> 01:49:03,119
the indigenous people there of course

2772
01:49:07,189 --> 01:49:04,400
you know for probably

2773
01:49:07,830 --> 01:49:07,199
thousands of years but um i'm wondering

2774
01:49:11,189 --> 01:49:07,840
if there's

2775
01:49:12,470 --> 01:49:11,199
if anyone has ever looked deep into the

2776
01:49:15,669 --> 01:49:12,480
history of the area

2777
01:49:17,910 --> 01:49:15,679
to see if there's anything that comes up

2778
01:49:20,950 --> 01:49:17,920
in any type of historical records

2779
01:49:23,750 --> 01:49:20,960
they don't and not enough i think that

2780
01:49:26,310 --> 01:49:23,760
they have but i think it's been left out

2781
01:49:27,669 --> 01:49:26,320
too much of the first nations people in

2782
01:49:30,470 --> 01:49:27,679
this area

2783
01:49:31,350 --> 01:49:30,480
and they need to i i really would like

2784
01:49:33,189 --> 01:49:31,360
to do that

2785
01:49:34,709 --> 01:49:33,199
like i said i really would like to

2786
01:49:36,950 --> 01:49:34,719
contact these people

2787
01:49:39,030 --> 01:49:36,960
and find out what went on here do they

2788
01:49:40,149 --> 01:49:39,040
have any records of any phenomena that

2789
01:49:42,709 --> 01:49:40,159
went on

2790
01:49:44,629 --> 01:49:42,719
like they do with the aztec people and

2791
01:49:47,350 --> 01:49:44,639
the mayan people

2792
01:49:48,390 --> 01:49:47,360
but even even more contemporary times if

2793
01:49:51,030 --> 01:49:48,400
you think of

2794
01:49:52,629 --> 01:49:51,040
like newspaper clippings from you know

2795
01:49:55,830 --> 01:49:52,639
the late 1800s

2796
01:49:57,830 --> 01:49:55,840
forward that type of thing uh oh he

2797
01:49:58,550 --> 01:49:57,840
actually fixed the phone if anyone wants

2798
01:50:00,709 --> 01:49:58,560
to call

2799
01:50:02,310 --> 01:50:00,719
in and last call on the phone because we

2800
01:50:05,910 --> 01:50:02,320
have only four minutes left

2801
01:50:08,070 --> 01:50:05,920
um if you'd like to call in um but

2802
01:50:09,430 --> 01:50:08,080
uh i'm glad you fixed it bill that's uh

2803
01:50:12,709 --> 01:50:09,440
good timing buddy

2804
01:50:16,310 --> 01:50:12,719
um um

2805
01:50:18,470 --> 01:50:16,320
but um so i want to know

2806
01:50:19,350 --> 01:50:18,480
when you when you want to research are

2807
01:50:21,270 --> 01:50:19,360
you like

2808
01:50:22,950 --> 01:50:21,280
going to get involved in doing some of

2809
01:50:25,750 --> 01:50:22,960
that work yourself or

2810
01:50:26,950 --> 01:50:25,760
are you just going to see what happens

2811
01:50:29,990 --> 01:50:26,960
as as things

2812
01:50:32,390 --> 01:50:30,000
progress because you know when when it's

2813
01:50:34,629 --> 01:50:32,400
when it's when i'm able to get up to

2814
01:50:36,629 --> 01:50:34,639
williamstown where they're located

2815
01:50:38,470 --> 01:50:36,639
oh i see we'd like to meet with the

2816
01:50:40,790 --> 01:50:38,480
woman that's in charge of it i've been

2817
01:50:42,470 --> 01:50:40,800
reading about her being located up in

2818
01:50:44,310 --> 01:50:42,480
williamstown now

2819
01:50:45,830 --> 01:50:44,320
and i would really like to meet with her

2820
01:50:48,070 --> 01:50:45,840
and ask her some questions

2821
01:50:49,589 --> 01:50:48,080
i don't know how i'll be accepted by her

2822
01:50:51,189 --> 01:50:49,599
whether she even believes in the

2823
01:50:53,030 --> 01:50:51,199
phenomena of it

2824
01:50:54,629 --> 01:50:53,040
but i would like to talk to her about it

2825
01:50:56,950 --> 01:50:54,639
and see and

2826
01:50:58,950 --> 01:50:56,960
see what she has to say about it and if

2827
01:51:02,550 --> 01:50:58,960
there's any records because i know that

2828
01:51:05,589 --> 01:51:02,560
field where like i said tom had his

2829
01:51:08,709 --> 01:51:05,599
incident it's covered

2830
01:51:10,709 --> 01:51:08,719
with artifacts in there so

2831
01:51:12,310 --> 01:51:10,719
there could be something it could be a

2832
01:51:14,229 --> 01:51:12,320
vortex there could be something

2833
01:51:16,470 --> 01:51:14,239
that's going on there and all of great

2834
01:51:17,589 --> 01:51:16,480
barrington i did read the book about

2835
01:51:20,709 --> 01:51:17,599
king philip's war

2836
01:51:22,470 --> 01:51:20,719
and that did take place along that river

2837
01:51:24,550 --> 01:51:22,480
so there's something that went on i

2838
01:51:26,550 --> 01:51:24,560
don't know about lake mansfield i do not

2839
01:51:26,870 --> 01:51:26,560
know the history of lake mansfield but i

2840
01:51:30,390 --> 01:51:26,880
have

2841
01:51:31,270 --> 01:51:30,400
friends that my cousin her mom used to

2842
01:51:34,550 --> 01:51:31,280
watch

2843
01:51:37,430 --> 01:51:34,560
other space space ships

2844
01:51:39,030 --> 01:51:37,440
up at lake mansfield for years her mom

2845
01:51:41,109 --> 01:51:39,040
is no longer with us but

2846
01:51:42,070 --> 01:51:41,119
she used to watch ufos up at lake

2847
01:51:44,229 --> 01:51:42,080
mansfield for

2848
01:51:45,910 --> 01:51:44,239
years so i'm not the only one and

2849
01:51:48,310 --> 01:51:45,920
neither are my parents that have seen

2850
01:51:50,470 --> 01:51:48,320
ufos up at lake mansfield i don't know

2851
01:51:53,750 --> 01:51:50,480
what the history is of lake mansfield

2852
01:51:56,629 --> 01:51:53,760
i have no idea yeah yeah

2853
01:51:58,149 --> 01:51:56,639
that's amazing um let's see what we got

2854
01:52:00,629 --> 01:51:58,159
right here

2855
01:52:01,350 --> 01:52:00,639
uh oh we've just got a couple minutes

2856
01:52:04,550 --> 01:52:01,360
left

2857
01:52:06,709 --> 01:52:04,560
so again no more times but someone had

2858
01:52:09,990 --> 01:52:06,719
tried to ask you a question and

2859
01:52:14,390 --> 01:52:10,000
hopefully they'll re-ask it real quickly

2860
01:52:16,229 --> 01:52:14,400
in caps because i can't see it and

2861
01:52:17,750 --> 01:52:16,239
i think that's probably going to do it

2862
01:52:20,470 --> 01:52:17,760
for us tonight though unless that

2863
01:52:21,109 --> 01:52:20,480
question happens to pop up but i i want

2864
01:52:23,350 --> 01:52:21,119
to thank you

2865
01:52:24,229 --> 01:52:23,360
so much it's been really really pleasure

2866
01:52:26,550 --> 01:52:24,239
i hope

2867
01:52:28,390 --> 01:52:26,560
you know you talk about after covert i

2868
01:52:30,470 --> 01:52:28,400
hope i get to meet you because

2869
01:52:31,830 --> 01:52:30,480
as the crow flies we're not really that

2870
01:52:33,109 --> 01:52:31,840
far away we're about

2871
01:52:35,109 --> 01:52:33,119
three and a half hours four hours

2872
01:52:35,669 --> 01:52:35,119
something like that but i love the area

2873
01:52:38,390 --> 01:52:35,679
out there

2874
01:52:39,430 --> 01:52:38,400
i had mentioned to you before that i

2875
01:52:43,189 --> 01:52:39,440
really enjoyed

2876
01:52:44,470 --> 01:52:43,199
um i was in stockton um right where you

2877
01:52:47,830 --> 01:52:44,480
are uh

2878
01:52:48,629 --> 01:52:47,840
just i think it was march 10th or 12th

2879
01:52:50,870 --> 01:52:48,639
something like that

2880
01:52:51,830 --> 01:52:50,880
right when the whole armageddon of this

2881
01:52:55,350 --> 01:52:51,840
thing

2882
01:52:56,149 --> 01:52:55,360
started taking place um staying at the

2883
01:52:58,870 --> 01:52:56,159
von trapp

2884
01:52:59,750 --> 01:52:58,880
lodge in vermont and the clerk there

2885
01:53:01,270 --> 01:52:59,760
said

2886
01:53:03,189 --> 01:53:01,280
you better get out of here because

2887
01:53:05,669 --> 01:53:03,199
they're going to close off all states

2888
01:53:07,109 --> 01:53:05,679
i was back in like march 12th or

2889
01:53:08,550 --> 01:53:07,119
something like that i'm glad that never

2890
01:53:11,189 --> 01:53:08,560
happened

2891
01:53:12,629 --> 01:53:11,199
but uh i want to thank you so much

2892
01:53:14,390 --> 01:53:12,639
really it's been a real pleasure

2893
01:53:16,790 --> 01:53:14,400
talking well thank you for having me and

2894
01:53:17,910 --> 01:53:16,800
i will send you the photo that i have of

2895
01:53:20,790 --> 01:53:17,920
my owl

2896
01:53:22,390 --> 01:53:20,800
that yeah you know what i'll do i'll

2897
01:53:22,870 --> 01:53:22,400
i'll pop that up in the show notes for

2898
01:53:25,589 --> 01:53:22,880
any of those

2899
01:53:27,030 --> 01:53:25,599
that would like to see it honey i pulled

2900
01:53:28,870 --> 01:53:27,040
it up today i was going through

2901
01:53:30,870 --> 01:53:28,880
photographs and i pulled it up because i

2902
01:53:33,669 --> 01:53:30,880
was going to do a painting of it and

2903
01:53:35,109 --> 01:53:33,679
i saw it it got folded i think i've got

2904
01:53:36,709 --> 01:53:35,119
it on my phone though i'm going to go

2905
01:53:37,270 --> 01:53:36,719
through my photos i'll send it out to

2906
01:53:45,589 --> 01:53:37,280
you

2907
01:53:48,229 --> 01:53:45,599
right bye-bye

2908
01:53:48,629 --> 01:53:48,239
all right everyone uh remember we'll be

2909
01:53:51,430 --> 01:53:48,639
back

2910
01:53:52,149 --> 01:53:51,440
next week as always and we have larry

2911
01:53:54,149 --> 01:53:52,159
hancock

2912
01:53:56,229 --> 01:53:54,159
should be an interesting show thank you

2913
01:53:59,180 --> 01:53:56,239
all for participating tonight

2914
01:54:06,830 --> 01:53:59,190
and remember to keep your eyes to the

2915
01:54:06,840 --> 01:54:10,430
sky